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Re: Gmail blocked in China

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Not surprising considering the tricks they've been pulling of late. What can be said here? The people have chosen an autocratic government and often, without me even provoking them, will tell me how superior is is to western values, the same way Russians will also do. As an international traveler and sometimes international worker, this is fairly typical stuff. I see this kind of thing on VK and Facebook all the time…

> often, without me even provoking them, will tell me how superior is is to western values, the same way Russians will also do.

Is this surprising or weighty to you considering that censored brainwashing culture they've grown up in?

> They buy into the anti-Western narrative

They do not "buy into the anti-Western narrative", they are tricked into it.

All of this makes

> The people have chosen an autocratic government and

Really silly.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#152

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Are Gmail's MX records necessary for Chinese email users to receive email from Gmail? If so, why?

No, but they are required for sending email to Gmail. And an email provider may misscharacterize a message as spam because it's lacking. Saying that they "Blocked Gmail" has an intuitive meaning that they blocked the HTTP interface to it, but they also blocked a part of the SMTP interface.

    > No, but they are required for sending email to Gmail
Unless the user is using a web-based email application, like Yahoo Mail, who can route their mail however they want. This would seem to hurt Chinese email providers more than anyone else.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#153
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If such products are created and succeed, it will be because they competed well with their American counterparts. The equivalent Chinese products don't face any competition at all.

Chinese companies will push to internationalise their products as the domestic internet market becomes saturated

To be fair, those products should be blocked in every country. I realize what the PRC is doing: blocking successful foreign corporations, then when they have sufficiently copied / provided for the local market, they expand. Quite duplicitous and I hope it fails miserably, no offense. I feel that the US government might be hesitant to allow Chinese companies, protected by the PRC, access to sensitive information on its citizens.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#154

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The majority of Chinese netizens [citation needed] don't care simply because they're not as well educated to digest English content to begin with. Looking forward to see this issue escalate, as it's the only way to deter the Chinese Gov't.

How exactly do you deter a government that rolls tanks against its own citizens? I really don't think there's a democratic reform avenue here. People will deal with it, and largely accept it due to their anti-western attitudes. The Communist Party sees citizens as their subjects and will put them in line as need be. Its not a democracy.

    > a government that
Government is (usually) made of people. These people all want different things. This is as true as the Chinese government as it is of the US government.

A litany of complaints against the Chinese government can go on and on and on, but it's not (anymore) a single person dictatorship, nor is it an obvious kleptocracy despite robust corruption. Its claim of being a government for and by the people stands up to scrutiny, even if its methods and outcomes are oppressive and aren't democratic.

    > rolls tanks against its own citizens
The same way you influence the other one that deploys military-grade/style equipment against its people[1], by attempting to influence members of that government.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-polic...

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#155
this is so stupid. we are a startup team from China using Google's Apps service. So far most of mainstream mail provider like 163.com and qq.com can still exchange email with gmail. But without VPN we can't send/receive mails from mobile.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#156
i didn't rtfa, but this is nothing new, i've been in shanghai since 2007, afaik, google services (including gmail) have been hard to access, it was really after eric schmidt put the assault on china by making things public (circa 2010) that things started to get to really bad. from memory, 50% of the time, google services (search, gmail, apis, compute engine, office apps, etc) would not work back in 2007, in 2010 probably 80% of access would fail, and recently in the past year and a half, it's been almost 99% to now 100%.

i've already started a backup strategy long ago (about 8 months ago) as the frustration was just started to drive me crazy, I migrated all my services to either local equivalents or microsoft (outlook.com), but there's only a matter of time before those perhaps also get blocked.

of similar relation, ever since the snowden leaks, it seems that china has started looking to ban or outright limit foreign technology services used by the china government which is basically almost like everything, the nickname is qu ioe, qu which stands for out/oust, ioe stands for ibm, oracle, and emc.

note that vpn still seems to work, and if you're traveling on a roaming mobile service, you can still access google services (and others like facebook, twitter, youtube), but if you're plugging into the hotel wifi without vpn, good f'ing luck. note that i also work at a foreign national software company in china, the office can access these services uninhibited since we have an mpls to the main office in the valley.

if you're living in china and dependent on foreign services/apis like google then it's really hard because you must have vpn or some equivalent. i suggest even using a jumpbox.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#157

i didn't rtfa, but this is nothing new, i've been in shanghai since 2007, afaik, google services (including gmail) have been hard to access, it was really after eric schmidt put the assault on china by making things public (circa 2010) that things started to get to really bad. from memory, 50% of the time, google services (search, gmail, apis, compute engine, office apps, etc) would not work back in 2007, in 2010 pro…

for the record, i don't work for microsoft, so note trying to shamelessly solicit outlook, reading back on my post, i imagine some would think so.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#158
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The sentiment that access to Google services doesn't matter because there are sufficient Chinese replacements is absolutely wrong. The Chinese government is handicapping its tech labor development by blocking Google. I teach a basic web development workshop to university and vocational school students. One of the things we teach is how to look up things for youself on the internet. (Is that a cry of disbelief I hear?…

i agree that as a software developer, google is an essential tool, it goes where sometimes stackoverflow doesn't go, but there are true alternatives that aren't local like yahoo, bing, duckduckgo, these are all foreign and work more or less uninhibited, it's just that these companies actually follow local protocol which google outright told the chinese government to fuck off.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#159

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So freedom, open society or democracy wont work in China because... Chinese people are inherently alcoholic, corrupt and sexually abusive to their employees?

The honest truth is liberal democracies do not come to fruition in vacuum, Elections are necessary but not sufficient condition for a functioning democracy. Afghanistan has multiple elections, Ukraine has elections, Iraq has elections, what is the state of affairs in these countries. There are subtle and messier parts in Democracy and every society cannot support it given their historical context - most societies hav…

It just sounds like excuses - which democratic country resolved all (or any?) of their problems with gender inequality, violence, alcohol, corruption etc. before instituting democracy?

In any case, Gmail is just one of many email tools - if Chinese people are so culturally unprepared to deal with Gmail, how are they culturally prepared to deal with QQ Mail, or Weibo/Weixin for that matter? This is just further censorship of a tool either for economic/protectionist reasons, or because it protects the CCP's hold on power. I'd struggle to see this as part of any plan to gradually implement democracy or as part of any uniquely 'Chinese' democratic development.

Re: Gmail blocked in China

#160

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So freedom, open society or democracy wont work in China because... Chinese people are inherently alcoholic, corrupt and sexually abusive to their employees?

You do realize that china is one of the countries that has the best gender equality cultures right.....

Yes! I do know about this! One of the things Mao did which wasn't so bad was bring women into the workplace and breakdown some of the traditional gender barriers in the workplace.

I also know about the hugely chauvanistic social culture, the very traditional "women cook, clean and look after kids, men go out and work" family culture that exists in most places, the huge amount of undocumented domestic violence, a massive prostitution industry and a very weak legal framework through which women can seek redress for pay imbalance, domestic/sexual abuse etc. I also know that there's zero paternity leave, and typically only 3-4 months maternity pay for women, a long history of forced abortions and until 2003 women had to specifically ask permission from their (usually male) boss before they could get married! So yeah, I do know a bit about China's "gender equality" :)

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