Anyone else waiting for the Arist? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/236195807/arist-brews-c...
I have a feeling if it's successful, it's going to give Keurig some headaches.
Keurig 2.0 DRM Bypass
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#152Anyone who uses a Keurig needs to: 1) punch themselves in the nuts, 2) go plant a tree. If you drink it out of a styrofoam cup, plant 2 trees.
I'll probably get downvoted but fuck it - I use disposable plastic K-cups every day, and I do it with gusto. Some days I use styrofoam cups, but most days I use my mug.
Why? Being serious. If you know something's that bad for the environment, why continue to do it?
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#153Well, due to content management, I can't click play on the video in the website? > This video contains content from SME. https://i.imgur.com/4wlnL22.png This has happened multiple times to me, today, all from SME. So many things in life require scissors, tape, and hacks to qualify for "decent" to me now.
It has the Imperial March from Star Wars as the background music, which was definitely a bad idea.
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#154Keurig adding DRM was equivalent to a plea to be hacked. But I was thinking, Keurig probably doesn't care about people who mod their machines as much as they want to target counterfeiters.
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#155I have a strange need to watch Star Wars now..
Jokes aside, this is a neat hack but I wonder if it would be possible to remove the DRM check from the electronics side itself. I don't have a Keurig machine myself, so I wouldn't dare opening up one (after making a cup) to see what you could hack at.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll bite. Cut power to the heat source/declaw the perforator/plug up the ink jet. I have physical access, after all. Keurig is in the position that they can attach a number to each one of their coffee cups, and the machine will refuse to brew if the number doesn't prove the cup is authentic. If they give all the cups the same number, as they apparently have chosen here, than all anyone has to do is present that numb…
Instead of starting with each machine having the entire list of numbers, wouldn't it just be easier to read each number it encounters, store it and then check future numbers against the stored list? There are sooo many more numbers my machine will never see. Why keep them all stored in all machines? And if they are concerned about running out of numbers and repeating them, there could be a timestamp attached to each…
AFAIK, the original reason for the DRM was to prevent other companies from selling K-cups, so it would need a way to validate each cup, not just prevent reuse.
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#157Not siding with Keurig, but just out of curiosity, how would you to create a DRM scheme that can't be bypassed with this replay attack? Apparently [0] the DRM works by shining a light on an ink marking and registering the wavelength of the light reflected back. I figure one simple scheme would be to 'burn' the key after it is read. i.e. physically disable the DRM ink by heat/perforation/other ink, so that once used,…
They could have used thermo-sensitive ink (using same technology that fax paper used some time ago), on a hot cup it would have automatically destroyed itself. However, they very likely don't care about the replay hack.
The authentication scheme is there to prevent mass-manufacturing counterfeit cups. Hipsters who modify devices are below noise level on their bottom line (them bragging about sticking it to the Man is free advertisement for the brand so even if there were a loss on a machine it's hard to tell if there is a net loss or profit).
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call me paranoid but I refuse to drink hot liquids out of plastic containers of any kind. A glass french press is the way to go.
Strangely, I heard somewhere recently that french press coffee has toxins in it that would normally be filtered out by the paper filter...
that'd be the cholesterol, and there's not a good link between it and blood cholesterol
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
So simple to bypass, I expect they didn't spend much effort or money at all. They aren't trying to make an unbreakable system, they're trying to make a deterrent. If they had made the detection method too complicated, it could lead to false rejections and that would ultimately be more costly. They just needed a method that they can prove in court that a third party is using to defeat their DRM. This is the equivalent…
I agree, but I don't know that it's even necessary for Keurig to go to court to realize the value of the DRM scheme. Their weak DRM certainly serves as a deterrent to the average consumer, but even more so to the mainstream coffee distributors that have been selling "knock off" cups up to this point. Community Coffee, which is a major roaster/distributor in the deep south, just caved and penned a licensing agreement…
It might be a turn off to ship your coffee with instructions on how to cut the top off a 2.0 K-cup. But if your K-cups just needed an "adapter"[1] then many consumers would probably not think twice about it. We use adapters all the time to make one thing work with another.
[1] https://www.gourmet-coffee.com/Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call me paranoid but I refuse to drink hot liquids out of plastic containers of any kind. A glass french press is the way to go.
Strangely, I heard somewhere recently that french press coffee has toxins in it that would normally be filtered out by the paper filter...
seems like responses here were assuming you meant the french press somehow had chemicals, but you're saying that the coffee beans have substances that maybe a filtration system removing from the coffee makes it better? Can you source that, because people have been drinking coffee a long time and I don't think that's a concern. After all, coffee is a plant material harvested then burned grinded up and suspended in water. Like most plants it probably contains substances, which in great quantities could kill humans, but if it were toxic we'd know by now. Plus the fact that you can buy chocolate covered espresso beans, where you consume the bean entirely. That would surely be the most toxic no? Never seen a warning on those.