Live data from Hacker News

Google Fiber Austin

fiber.google.com

151–157 of 157 posts

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#151
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's surprising and unfortunate that they chose Austin then. There are so many other large cities out there with limited choices for fast internet.

That's probably the reason they chose Austin, surprisingly. It's a lot less legwork to setup shop in a city that doesn't already have red-tape in place.

Yup, which is precisely why Google won't ever touch anything north of the Mason Dixon line. Heads would certainly roll if they encroached on Comcast's home turf.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#152
Here in a major IT city of India(Hyderabad), I pay around $40 for 50 Mbps/10Mbps(up/down) and it's unlimited. I guess it'a pretty good deal. We have good number of companies offering services. I say it's a good deal, but of course not as good as this.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#153

Here in the Netherlands we also have this but from more companies. A lot of cities now have fiber to the home, I have 50/50 + tv for 50 euro (100/100 would be 55). Some cities also have Gigabit, for about 100 euros/month ( http://www.tweak.nl/consument/fiber/productoverzicht.html ) Google fiber doesn't seem so special to me. Maybe I should read into how the money from the fiber network is made here. I think there are…

> A lot of cities now have fiber to the home, I have 50/50 + tv for 50 euro I have 50/25 or so plus TV for about the same price in southeastern US. It's not fiber, but I end up with about the same service as you. At the level of service you and I are getting, fiber isn't necessary. > Google fiber doesn't seem so special to me. Probably not if you only have 50/50 for 50 euro. That's not nearly as great a value as Goog…

70 USD plus taxes and fees is about 70 EUR. I don't know if that's really so much better value.

The utility of an internet connection doesn't scale linearly with speed. Once you're at the point where you can stream HD video, diminishing returns start kicking in pretty hard. How often are you waiting for a >100MB file transfer and can't work until it's completed?

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#154

Damn, one time $300 fee for "Up to" 5 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload. That's like getting free internet for 6 and a half years[1] from current providers after 6 months. And if you want to upgrade you've already got the hardware. I wonder what the minimum time of undercutting at a loss service they can offer is without it being considered anti-competitive. [1] They guarantee 7 years of free service https://fiber.goog…

The main issue is finding a way to make use of 5mbit. You get what you pay for, I guess, and if you really can't afford anything better, 5mbit is probably better than anything else other ISPs offer for a similar price.

When AT&T offers 6mbs and calls it broadband, everyone complains and wants the FCC to change the definition of broadband.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better example is probably Charter, which doesn't have the noise of the media/movie business: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=112298&p=irol-re... . Look at page 54 of their 2013 10-K. Their revenues were $8.15 billion (just over $100 per customer, for the whole year). $5.35 billion in operating costs, and $1.85 billion in depreciation and amortization (the loss in value of the capital in the ground). $9…

> Their revenues were $8.15 billion (just over $100 per customer, for the whole year). ... What's really shocking is that their revenue per customer relationship is under $130 per year. You seem to be an order of magnitude off on your ARPU calculations. $8.15 billion in revenue (p. F-4) / 5.9 million customers (p. 1) = $1,381 ARPU Either that, or you're mixing up monthly with annual. On p. 4, they calculate their mon…

You're right, I was looking at the Table on Page 4, which lists revenue per customer relationship at $107.97. That must be per month, not per year.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MonkeyBrains is not quite what we call "WiFi"; it's in the 80GHz spectrum. (I thought it was 60GHz, which is becoming a WiFi spectrum, but their page says 80. So I don't fully understand what they're up to.) Beamforming and directional antennas works really quite interestingly on the higher frequencies. I think their stuff could work. It's not obviously doomed to failure, like most 2.4GHz-based WiFi setups are, in my…

What we are up to is building a high speed 24Ghz/60GHz/80GHz point to point meshed network. MonkeyBrains will continue to pull fiber to our endpoints and continue with more affordable 5GHz antennas for residential users. Check out Siklu, SAF, AthenaWave, AirFiber, etc to see some of the antennas that talk outside of (normally) consumer grade frequencies. And yes, we do have an FCC filing in place to deploy 80GHz gear…

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like you guys are up to some cool stuff that is likely to work :)

Re: Google Fiber Austin

#157
post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of cities now have fiber to the home, I have 50/50 + tv for 50 euro I have 50/25 or so plus TV for about the same price in southeastern US. It's not fiber, but I end up with about the same service as you. At the level of service you and I are getting, fiber isn't necessary. > Google fiber doesn't seem so special to me. Probably not if you only have 50/50 for 50 euro. That's not nearly as great a value as Goog…

70 USD plus taxes and fees is about 70 EUR. I don't know if that's really so much better value. The utility of an internet connection doesn't scale linearly with speed. Once you're at the point where you can stream HD video, diminishing returns start kicking in pretty hard. How often are you waiting for a >100MB file transfer and can't work until it's completed?

> The utility of an internet connection doesn't scale linearly with speed.

Sure, up to a point. But when you've got a family of 4+ sharing an internet connection, 50Mb can be used easily.

A recent example:

* Younger kid running HD Netflix stream downstairs. * Older kid listening to music and downloading a game in his room. * I'm watching an HD Amazon stream movie rental. * Wife is shuffling large PSDs to/from remote storage.

This definitely doesn't apply to everyone, but a family can put some hurting on an internet connection. Particularly during the winter when it gets dark by 5PM.

Post reply on HN