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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by spindritf »

exDM69 wrote: post #91
randallsquared wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can there be taxation consequences unless you act to set up a bitcoin address and accept the offered tip? If you've done all that, I think it's clear you know what you're doing. If you don't do that, then the money (apparently?) returns to the project you committed to, from whence it came. The only way there could be tax is if you receive the money, and that can only happen by you deliberately becoming involved.

> How can there be taxation consequences unless ... Tax? Perhaps not, but the OP was talking about tax and other legal consequences. These can vary wildly from country to country. My local legislation requires applying for a permit before asking for donations. If a 3rd party would add my projects to this website, I could face criminal charges and the proof of burden would be on me.

What? You live in a country where someone can use your name in a fund-raiser without your approval or authorization and you will face criminal charges with presumption of guilt?

Some project on github is not even remotely your biggest problem here.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#153

Post by ubernostrum »

jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

particularly since they are "opt-out"

Clarification: they aren't "opt-out". They aren't "opt", period. Once someone types a project name into their search box, it appears that project and its contributors are in their listing, and that's that. Which is sort of the point of the linked issue, and several other issues asking for removal on behalf of individuals and organizations, none of which have been acted on so far as I'm aware, and several of which have in fact been simply denied.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#154

Post by Rune123 »

jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

Your bitcoin contributions will be honored and recognized by whatever blockchain based system replaces it. Bitcoin might die, but the blockchain will never go away.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#155

Post by jnbiche »

Frankeh wrote: post #148
jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

>As just one example of what drew me to Bitcoin, Bitcoin holds (or used to hold) such tremendous promise for the developing world, and to people who are shut out of traditional banking. Vastly overstated benefits. http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-133-t... First 20 minutes goes into detail on how useful Bitcoin really is in the developing world. In short, if you've got access to a data plan and a…

As someone who has lived in a "developing" country, I disagree. I'm talking about potential here, not the current situation.

And a lot of the early failures of Bitcoin in developing countries were the result of overzealous Bitcoin supporters rushing into a developing country with no prior experience, and then running into some of the inevitable problems (e.g., no reliable electricity).

If it's going to work in these situations, it's going to have to happen from within, not imported by outsiders.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#156

Post by jnbiche »

ubernostrum wrote: post #153
jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

particularly since they are "opt-out" Clarification: they aren't "opt-out". They aren't "opt", period. Once someone types a project name into their search box, it appears that project and its contributors are in their listing, and that's that. Which is sort of the point of the linked issue, and several other issues asking for removal on behalf of individuals and organizations, none of which have been acted on so far…

Good point. I meant to communicate that point. I'll correct my comment accordingly.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#157

Post by [deleted] »

jnbiche wrote: post #156
ubernostrum wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

particularly since they are "opt-out" Clarification: they aren't "opt-out". They aren't "opt", period. Once someone types a project name into their search box, it appears that project and its contributors are in their listing, and that's that. Which is sort of the point of the linked issue, and several other issues asking for removal on behalf of individuals and organizations, none of which have been acted on so far…

Good point. I meant to communicate that point. I'll correct my comment accordingly.

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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#158

Post by exDM69 »

spindritf wrote: post #151
exDM69 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can there be taxation consequences unless ... Tax? Perhaps not, but the OP was talking about tax and other legal consequences. These can vary wildly from country to country. My local legislation requires applying for a permit before asking for donations. If a 3rd party would add my projects to this website, I could face criminal charges and the proof of burden would be on me.

What? You live in a country where someone can use your name in a fund-raiser without your approval or authorization and you will face criminal charges with presumption of guilt? Some project on github is not even remotely your biggest problem here.

> What? You live in a country where someone can use your name in a fund-raiser without your approval or authorization and you will face criminal charges with presumption of guilt?

It's extremely unlikely that I could get convicted because of it, very unlikely that they'd even start the case either. But it would at least mean significant paperwork and other nuisance.

It's not like I'd get sent to Siberia but yeah, my country is full of stupid laws. And so are many other countries.

Actually I do think the intent of this law is good and it's to protect individuals from scams. But the practice should be updated to better work with crowdfunding and other Internet fundraisers.

Here's a similar example from earlier this year, the local police demanded that local Wikimedia foundation chapter explain their fundraising campaign.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_police_examine_wikipedias_fund...

The local Wikimedia chapter had no part to play in it, were not charged in the end, but had to spend time and effort explaining that it's the California-based US entity asking for the donations.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#159

Post by lkrubner »

These "funding" schemes keep popping up in different contexts. Journalism attracted a bunch of these schemes 5 to 10 years ago. Consider what Mike Krahulik said about Kachingle:

"you can't just start collecting money for me without some kind of deal."

http://webcomictweets.com/detail/tweet/138771362931163136

Kachingle was an extreme case, gathering "donations" for sites like Wikipedia, Google News, and also small sites like Mike Krahulik's. Using this approach on Github is just a new variation on an old scam. As someone else said in that same thread:

"that is the weirdest creepiest business model ever."

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

#160

Post by ubernostrum »

jacques_chester wrote: post #127
ubernostrum wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (Django) already threatened that a while back. They still insist they will not remove projects or stop collecting donations on behalf of non-consenting projects. All they did was manually disable some of the spam coming toward our committers.

Who holds the trademark for Django? That person or organisation might have standing in some jurisdictions to ask for it to be removed. (IANAL, TINLA)

The Django Software Foundation is custodian of the registered IP of Django, including the trademark:

https://www.djangoproject.com/trademarks/

If you want to support Django and its community and development (which includes more than just commits to a git repository), there is also a mechanism to donate to the DSF:

https://www.djangoproject.com/foundation/donate/

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