Emacs and Vim

Post by graywh » Fri, Jul 25, 2014, 8:00 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #40

yulaow wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually the strong defenders of emacs tell you that you must use c-n c-p c-b c-f to move because those are better and you will adapt in a short time. Then the strongest defenders of emacs tell you that you must use whatever you want because the purpose of emacs is that the editor must adapt to you and not the opposite.

It's the vim defenders who will claim that the home key navigation is a must. Emacs advocates don't much care from what I've seen. Some of them will be roused to suggest that you learn to use searching better.

Post by nilkn » Fri, Jul 25, 2014, 8:14 PM UTC

asuffield wrote: post #90

jimm wrote: post #71

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Then how do you move multiple lines at a time (4, 16, 64, 256)? To move 16 lines down, I press C-u C-u C-n (of course, the control key stays down the whole time). You either have to press C-u C-u then move your forearm to the arrow key and press down, or press the arrow key 16 times. (Each C-u is a power of 4. You can specify any number by typing it after the C-u, for example C-u 100 C-n to move down 100 lines.)

I cannot recall the last time I wanted to move 16 lines - that would imply I stopped to count the lines. What I invariably want to do is "move down one paragraph" (C-down) or "move to that spot I can see on the screen" (1-6 lines, tap up/down; 6-30 lines, hold the down key for about a second until I'm within a line or two, then tap up/down a couple times; >30 lines and use pgup/pgdown to get closer). For anything fur…

Post by thebelal » Fri, Jul 25, 2014, 8:35 PM UTC

pyre wrote: post #122

cies wrote: post #17

Emacs+Evil is the next Vim. And yes, CtrlP is probably the thing you'll miss most. But all the other things I got from switching from Vim to Emacs+Evil easily outweigh the missing CtrlP. Vim was great, until I wanted to customize it heavily. It is simply not made to facilitate things like: child processes, SSH, understanding my code, a visual interface for Git.

> understanding my code Both Vim and Emacs have a horrible time trying to syntax highlight Perl, but I find Vim's flaws to be more tolerable. Emacs isn't some sort of panacea.

Post by thebelal » Fri, Jul 25, 2014, 8:40 PM UTC

jeffbr13 wrote: post #116

Vim's home-row commands are great... Unless you use a non-QWERTY keyboard layout. A lot of developers forget that there exist other methods of input, and mnemonic-based shortcuts are one of those things that make a lot more sense than attempting to optimise for a tiny reduction in finger-movement (which ought to be the domain of the input-device anyway).

Post by aidenn0 » Fri, Jul 25, 2014, 8:44 PM UTC

leishulang wrote: post #149

Gonzih wrote: post #120

Wanna have fun with emacs? Try to integrate evil mode nicely in different plugins. Especially if you use totally different key bindings in vi (non qwerty layout for example). It was very painful experience for me. Yes, vim is far from ideal, yes neo-vim is looking like to be next iteration in vim evolution, yes no parallel tasks execution is pain. But at the same time there is vimproc. For clojure integration there i…

Not to mention that the Evil Mode editing messes up the Emacs repl. At least for clojure.