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Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by fulafel »

jeangenie wrote: post #131
pekk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a conservative meme that raw milk producers are being unfairly persecuted, in those circles it's supposed to be a paradigm case of the overly intrusive nanny state. In reality, there is hard epidemiological data showing that selling raw milk (edit: e.g. through the normal store channels) can lead to serious harm including deaths. So FDA bans it for interstate sales, but it's up to the state to decide how to regu…

> selling raw milk ... can lead to serious harm including deaths. Please STOP spreading misinformation. The only two deaths from raw milk in the last 20 years were traced back to bad queso fresco. In fact, over the same time period, there were more deaths attributed to pasteurized liquid milk than to raw liquid milk[1]. It's amazing what 30 seconds of Googling can do. [1] http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/raw-milk-news…

It's pretty obvious it can cause deaths, since raw milk is causes listeriosis disproportionately and risks from that (including death) are very well known.

Even your quoted web page lists 2 deaths from raw milk products and 3 deaths from pasteurized milk products. Considering the relative rarity of raw milk product consumption, that's a pretty obvious sign.

Arguing that the contamination isn't significant since it's specific to one milk product doesn't pass muster. With such a small sample you can't deduce anything about how the risk is distributed accross types of milk products.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by yardie »

sliverstorm wrote: post #133
yry4345 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "it doesn't seem entirely irrational." (Yes it does...) > "It doesn't have to be perfect to be better." (Yes it does...) The problem used to be approached by presuming innocence (demanding perfection), rather than with a willingness to accept false positives (20 years ago spam filters weren't available as an analogy...). It is always possible to wrongfully judge someone, but it was never a valid or acceptable outco…

Hold on there friend. I was not suggesting we replace the judicial system with a filter. Rather arrests. I.e., make the arrest based on the filter, then run the trial in the same old jury-of-your-peers. Convictions should be false-positive-free. But our system would not work if arrests also needed to be 100% false-positive-free. I'm also not advocating punishment for crimes that have not yet been committed. Rather, t…

> make the arrest based on the filter, then run the trial in the same old jury-of-your-peers.

LOL, jury of peers. You mean the jury that is left after the prosecutors and defenders screen out the most competent jurors. The same jurors that typically believe you are guilty because you've been arrested. Have you been in the typical criminal courtroom lately? Any public defender will tell you that going to trial in cuffs and jailhouse orange will almost certainly get you a conviction.

There are lots of things that need to be fixed in the justice system. Lets not give them more tools to make it worse.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by junto »

judk wrote: post #136
lallysingh wrote: post #126

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Too expensive.

Drones get more cost effective as the kill frequency increases. Economy of scale

You can make it cheaper still by waiting until more than one target are in the same strike zone.

This of course only matters if you really care about the money. I assume that the large black budgets of the CIA and NSA are not really a concern to those that matter.

Ideally you spend more every year. That's the usual policy of government agencies, otherwise the following year you get a budget cut.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by lucb1e »

junto wrote: post #154
judk wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drones get more cost effective as the kill frequency increases. Economy of scale

You can make it cheaper still by waiting until more than one target are in the same strike zone. This of course only matters if you really care about the money. I assume that the large black budgets of the CIA and NSA are not really a concern to those that matter. Ideally you spend more every year. That's the usual policy of government agencies, otherwise the following year you get a budget cut.

"DronEfficiency (YC2034): better protection of our country and spending less tax money due to improved algorithms!"

(Disclaimer: I'm not insinuating that YC supports this)

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by junto »

zby wrote: post #153

That is why you should join the Pirate Party! We are a targeted group - we must organize.

Unfortunately in Germany the Piratenpartei have a few too many undesirable links the NPD [1] (i.e. Neo-Nazis) for my liking.

Until they clean house and stamp out the far right, they'll have a problem attracting new voters.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/piratenpartei-und-rechte-u...

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by zby »

junto wrote: post #156
zby wrote: post #153

That is why you should join the Pirate Party! We are a targeted group - we must organize.

Unfortunately in Germany the Piratenpartei have a few too many undesirable links the NPD [1] (i.e. Neo-Nazis) for my liking. Until they clean house and stamp out the far right, they'll have a problem attracting new voters. http://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/piratenpartei-und-rechte-u...

This is two years old article - as far as I know the German pirates now are rather leftist (actually too leftist for my liking - but as a whole the pirate movement is rather balanced between the two poles).

Pirate Party as a new and mostly undefined movement attracted all kinds of freaks - but it can only work as a movement of those that understand how the Internet can be used in politics, both the dangers and the potential for good, and who value the freedom and openness that was associated with the early net.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by cargo54 »

pessimizer wrote: post #116
anigbrowl wrote: post #107

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That's how any sort of metric works - your credit score, your Acxiom consumer category score, whatever metrics Facebook and Google use to score user engagement. This is just how life is when databases are ubiquitous. After I bought a house and my name began appearing in property tax databases I started getting lots of (paper-based) commercial spam for things homeowners are more likely to buy, like different sorts of…

I think people are too busy, too desperate, and too badly educated to do anything about it. Most people were only being kept solvent by credit cards, borrowing against the equity in their houses, and taking massive loans for major purchases - and when credit got tight, people started setting up tents on Wall Street. The next crash is going to be a terrifying experience. A little bit of war, however, will probably dul…

This is the agenda that justifies all this: http://100777.com/nwo/barbarians and was planned before internet was mainstream. This is information released in 1989. Read and judge for yourself

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Post by watwut »

Zelphyr wrote: post #47
duaneb wrote: post #19

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> I can't believe the NSA is trying to rationalize it as being a good thing Is it really a surprise people in power wish to remain in power?

I wonder if the sentiment here is that the NSA used to be known for being a highly intelligent group of people trying to solve hard problems but now they seem like a bunch of D-level bureaucrats snooping through everything hoping they'll get lucky.

And maybe they are a highly intelligent group of bureaucrats trying to solve hard problems so they can snoop through everything and get lucky. Highly intelligent person solving hard problems is not necessary "good guy" nor "ethical guy" nor "law abiding guy".

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Post by andy_ppp »

pessimizer wrote: post #20

Of course this happens, and it's an obvious technique. I'm sure that not having a facebook account adds to your score, using AdBlock adds to your score, mentioning the NSA online adds to your score, refusing cookies adds to your score, using Linux adds to your score, etc. That's how a police state works. (XKeyScore += 5) My mother was involved in civil rights, so she has a file. It's fine that I have a file too. Hope…

Not doing any of those things will massively bump up your score; you must be trying to avoid detection.
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