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Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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I'm not saying that no attractive women are intelligent, of course. What I am saying is that if you are selecting based on looks (and interest in clubs) then you're less likely to find intelligence. I know you mean well, but somehow your second sentence contradicts your first statement.

Strictly speaking, "If you are selecting based on looks (as opposed to picking randomly)" simply implies that you believe fewer attractive women are intelligent, proportionally. This actually could be reasonable without thinking less of attractive women, if you assume that attractive and intelligent women are likely to already be taken, but it's still certainly an assumption. It gets even less damning if we say "If y…

Thank you, that's what I meant. I just wrote a paragraph in another comment, but you expressed it much more concisely.

Searching based on looks rather than (traits likely to signify) intelligence is likely to lead to less intelligence found, even if the subset (attractive women) is equally likely to be intelligent.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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> Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

It feels pretty stupid to reply to this as a "no", but to offset the incredibly depressing stories of random luck success, I figured I'd go ahead with it anyway.

No, I'm not rich. I'm 33 and dead broke, actually.

> How did you do it?

I started my first company (a video-related SaaS B2B product) at age 22 and it should have been a home run. The idea and timing were perfect and I found product-market fit almost immediately, cold-calling my way to paying customers 10 months after quitting my previous job.

But I fucked it up. I was too young. My engineering was shitty (wasted all my time putting out fires), but more damningly, I tried to grow the business organically. I'd never been exposed to "real" entrepreneurship before and didn't know anything about venture funding. By the time I realized I needed to raise money (and actually going as far as signing a $1M+ term sheet with a group of shitty investors), it was already too late.

The old guard companies in the space I set out to bankrupt did, indeed, go bankrupt, but it was another startup with the same idea and technology as mine that put the screws to them. While I was trying to turn a profit and make payroll, these other startups just passed me by like I was standing still.

>What did it feel like when you first realised it was going to be true that you would never have to work again if you didn't want to?

Re-interpreted as "what did it feel like when success slipped through your fingers?"

The business was doomed by 2006, but I "stuck with it" (following bad advice) and pivoted (more bad advice) until 2010 when I finally gave up. I wasn't exposed to the concept of failing fast until later.

There was no real moment in time I knew the dream was over, but I fell into a deep depression. Thinking funding was imminent, I'd borrowed money and found myself $75k in debt after all the work and sacrifice.

I finally pulled myself out of the depression and was able to pay back most of my debt within 2 years of being in the "working world".

> How old were you?

Company started at 22, on life support by 27, ended at 30. 2 jobs and 2-3 more startup attempts since then (one was a pivot, really). Now I'm 34.

> What was it specifically that made the cash that ended up in your pocket?

Like I said, I found product-market fit. Had I executed properly, as my competitors did, I'd be a multi-millionaire today.

I've tried to start 3 more companies since then, each better engineered and executed than the last, but none of them found the beginner's luck "fit" of the first.

What was different about the first? I experienced a pain point first hand in an obscure occupation. I don't want to get into specifics, but my first job out of college was as a peon in a non-tech industry. I saw a glaring inefficiency in one of the business processes and knew I could fix it with software.

Of my 3 product/usiness attempts since then, 2 solved problems I perceived from outside an industry that weren't really that problematic after all and 1 was/is a consumer product. For the consumer product, the problem I'm trying to solve is really a problem, but it's visible to many, many more people.

When you have a unique vantage point on an obscure problem, your chances of being the guy to solve it are much better.

> Do you feel happy in your life?

No. It gets really dark sometimes.

When I was running my first company, I was energetic and blissfully self-confident. Now I'm a heap of bitter frustration and anxiety with crippling sleep problems.

After I finally gave up pivoting and "persevering" on that first business, I had a 2-year "working world" tenure that was so painful I can't even talk about it under an anon account.

Entrepreneurship courses through my veins and I can't turn it off. But I've gone through my Rolodex of acquaintances a thousand times and can't find a viable co-founder for a new business. No cofounder = no accelerator = constantly stuck in neutral. The thought of going back to a cube job makes me break out into a sweat -- literally. (Echoing an above poster.)

All I can do at this point is try to start new businesses on my own and get traction like I did the first time. There is no other viable path for me.

TL;DR I was a 22-year-old wunderkind whose company crashed, career melted and am now a 34-year-old has-been.

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Epilogue: A friend of mine went to a state university and applied to his dream job at Microsoft upon graduating. He got rejected and ended up taking a position at his backup, Google... in 2002. Made a boatload (but not retirement money) in the IPO, was heavily recruited by the most hyped startup of the late 2000s (he admitted it was only because of the Google name), and is now an angel investor.

Life is fucked up and random, my friends. Signal and noise.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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[Thanks, japhyr, for pointing that out although we obviously disagree] Actually, I've already figured that out. This guy is going to be my friend for the rest of my life even though I've only known him for a year. Several times it's happened that we both make excuses to ditch our respective girlfriends to just hang out alone together, drink wine and talk about life. Women have almost no intellectual curiosity. It is…

> Women have almost no intellectual curiosity. It is just how they are wired. If you want to have great conversations about anything meaningful, you must find a man. It makes me burn with shame to see such horseshit on Hacker News. This account is banned as a troll. Do not post anything like this again, and kindly keep the douchey Maxim-magazine pastiche off this site as well.

Even is this particular nutjob chose to share this nonsense, the only question in my mind is that why he blessed HN wit his presence.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

#154
> How

Worked at a company which gave stocks and eventually was bought by a tech major from Asia.

> What did it feel

It was a tsunami of happiness which first made numb.

> How old

34

> What was it specifically that made the cash that ended up in your pocket?

Just the usual work, I worked at a lesser salary with much higher stress levels and far longer work hours.

> Do you feel happy in your life ?

Money bought a sense of achievement in life which probably made me 5x happier. The time I could spend with my family spending that money bought lot more happiness.

The only negative was the sort of insecurity which made me wonder what would happen if I lose all this overnight.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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post #114

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He used to keep a blog on what it's like to work at Google from 2005-2007. In lieu of his response, it might suffice. The archive is available below: http://blog.rongarret.info/2009/12/xooglers-rises-from-ashes... http://www.flownet.com/ron/xooglers.html

Thanks. I wish there was a way to remove the comments and just straight read the story

On http://www.flownet.com/ron/xooglers.html, from the console

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I haven't QA'ed this beyond a quick eyeball of the results. Obviously it could delete a lot of stuff unintentionally if comments further down the page are of a different format, but the html converted word doc doesn't give you a whole lot to work with.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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Hi Diego, Could you elaborate more on the cashing out of stock from public companies point? You sold IndexTank for 1.6 million dollars. I don't really consider that "never work again rich" in this day in age. Were the sales of your stock significant?

people pointed out that it was probably sold for much higher amount. even so, $1.6million is 'never work again rich'-- at modest 10% return, with capital gains taxes, you would be making enough to pay your family's expenses.

10% return isn't modest today. Risk free US bonds are sub 3%

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

#157

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* > I was 41* Boom. First of all, congrats on that success. Second, I love hearing stories like this. I'm sure I'm biased because I'm in my late 30s but it's a nice break from all the tech wunderkind profiles in the media and the ageism of VCs & startups.

I compiled this list a while back, in response to an Ask HN, because I see the over 30 discussion frequently. Turns out, almost all the uber successful tech entrepreneurs were over 30 when they hit their stride. The wunderkind thing is almost entirely a myth. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7864053

Wow nice to hear!, as myself I'm heading to early 40s... let's see what happens in this decade.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

#158

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* > I was 41* Boom. First of all, congrats on that success. Second, I love hearing stories like this. I'm sure I'm biased because I'm in my late 30s but it's a nice break from all the tech wunderkind profiles in the media and the ageism of VCs & startups.

It's the kids that make the headlines, but think about it this way. Only the novel stories make the headlines. The fact that the news never talks about a 41-year-old selling his company and making it big should be encouraging- it suggests it is more common than the 23-year-old selling & making it big!

Being good looking also helps. Your startup will get more ink if you've got a pretty face.

As for me? I'm out of luck.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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> Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software? It feels pretty stupid to reply to this as a "no", but to offset the incredibly depressing stories of random luck success, I figured I'd go ahead with it anyway. No, I'm not rich. I'm 33 and dead broke, actually. > How did you do it? I started my first company (a video-related SaaS B2B product) at age 22 and it should have been a home run. The idea and t…

I'd love to chat with you. I'm dead broke too but I think we could have a productive conversation.

Please email me if this interests you.

Re: Ask HN: Did you get "never have to work again rich" through software?

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Not "never again" but "for a while" the option is there for me. For those interested: > How did you do it? I've spent the past several years building small products, including a blog and various apps. My latest iPad app made it to the #3 most popular position and has brought in enough money where I wouldn't have to work for quite a while. Though it should be noted part of that is due to the fact I've lowered all my b…

On a related note to my last paragraph, I just stumbled on this quote from David Foster Wallace and found it remarkably relevant: "I think somehow the culture has taught us or we've allowed the culture to teach us that the point of living is to get as much as you can and experience as much pleasure as you can, and that the implicit promise is that will make you happy. I know that's almost offensively simplistic, but…

I believe the objective in life shouldn't be how much money and success we can acquire, but how good a person we can become.
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