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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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>"Plus, it also knows who you’re talking to, which is crazy. By knowing who you’re talking to, it will send up predictions that are right for the type of conversation you have with that particular person." This is a bit scary... This means that Apple not only knows who I talk to but now actually maintain an index on how I talk with everyone. 1984 is getting closer and closer.

Did you not previously notice that iMessage keeps a history of your conversations, or what?

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#152

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I think you missed that the App Store is an iPhone afterthought -- the original, still supported, intent was to support HTML5 apps installed to your home screen. You can write your own software, run it on any iOS device, share it with others, even sell it without anyone's permission. Here is a PacMan style game, for example: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/257187093/pie-guy If that's not "hobbyist" friendly, I don't kno…

It's an awful way to program. You don't get a choice of languages. There's no debugger. There isn't even an easily accessible console log to print to. It's like trying to assemble a watch, in the dark, while wearing mittens. You can do it, but it's not terribly fun. There's a reason that there was a massive developer outcry at the "sweet solution" of HTML5 apps, causing Apple to release a native SDK instead.

You can actually attach desktop Safari's Web Inspector to both Mobile Safari and webviews running on a remote iPhone and get debugging, console logging, etc. The native stuff still has much better tooling, but the situation with webviews isn't as dire as you imagine.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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It's an awful way to program. You don't get a choice of languages. There's no debugger. There isn't even an easily accessible console log to print to. It's like trying to assemble a watch, in the dark, while wearing mittens. You can do it, but it's not terribly fun. There's a reason that there was a massive developer outcry at the "sweet solution" of HTML5 apps, causing Apple to release a native SDK instead.

You can actually attach desktop Safari's Web Inspector to both Mobile Safari and webviews running on a remote iPhone and get debugging, console logging, etc. The native stuff still has much better tooling, but the situation with webviews isn't as dire as you imagine.

Oh, that's nice! Looks like it's new with iOS 6. So, it was awful for a long time, but that is indeed a substantial improvement.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#154

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Regarding alternative browsers, yeah I think they might be. Safari and UIWebView intentionally disable webgl ( http://atnan.com/blog/2011/11/03/enabling-and-using-webgl-on... ). The official reason is security but given that webgl has been running on Android and desktop browsers without incident and that its present in Safari Mobile and merely disabled , its more likely that Apple doesn't want to have webgl based app…

WebGL works in iOS8, no longer disabled :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7837899

Yeah I got the news an hour ago. That's amazing, very happy about it! Been working on a webgl pet project and concerned about adoption with the iDevice market out of reach.

It also partly invalidates my point earlier.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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It came across as being sarcastic hence the down votes. And yes iOS8 does provide better extensibility than it did before and yes you would be able to open content in alternative browsers. Not sure about apps like Mail however.

I am fine with the downvotes. It's pretty easy on any Apple/Android/iOS/Google thread. > And yes iOS8 does provide better extensibility than it did before That wasn't my point. I asked specifically if iOS provides better extendibility than _Android_ (as the OP seemed to infer by stating his move back to iOS for that reason alone). > not sure about apps like Mail however. That's the point. Browser was just an example.…

it doesn't have to better, it has to be good enough, which is the point the OP was trying to make. There are some things about Android that are better and there are some things about iOS that are better. Intents were a thing that has been better in the past on Android (by virtue of not existing on iOS), and a reason that some people have stuck with Android even though they might prefer iOS for a lot of things.

If the extensions stuff is "good enough" for the reasons people like intents, then that could easily be enough for people to switch from Android to iOS assuming they like iOS better overall.

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And I don't understand why they can't cram the punctation marks (at least full stop and comma) on it. And I have an iPhone...

I don't understand why every single keyboard on mobile doesn't have the .COM button. It's basically become as ubiquitous as any punctuation mark given how often emails are typed.

FYI, in appropriate locations (browsers), holding the period key will give you options for .us, .org, .edu, .net, and .com.

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WebGL works in iOS8, no longer disabled :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7837899

Yeah I got the news an hour ago. That's amazing, very happy about it! Been working on a webgl pet project and concerned about adoption with the iDevice market out of reach. It also partly invalidates my point earlier.

iOS has definitely been a sore point for selling WebGL solution until now because the only option was doing it as an app, so that was limiting 3D

It might still need some tweaks here and there but I'm already amazed this demo for a customer of mine from January works as-is (except I need to tweak the background shader, it was a quick test anyway), in the browser without plugin or app on an old iPad 2: https://twitter.com/wildpeaks/status/473672792689639424

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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I am fine with the downvotes. It's pretty easy on any Apple/Android/iOS/Google thread. > And yes iOS8 does provide better extensibility than it did before That wasn't my point. I asked specifically if iOS provides better extendibility than _Android_ (as the OP seemed to infer by stating his move back to iOS for that reason alone). > not sure about apps like Mail however. That's the point. Browser was just an example.…

it doesn't have to better, it has to be good enough, which is the point the OP was trying to make. There are some things about Android that are better and there are some things about iOS that are better. Intents were a thing that has been better in the past on Android (by virtue of not existing on iOS), and a reason that some people have stuck with Android even though they might prefer iOS for a lot of things. If the…

But how does anyone one know if they are "good enough" already? Just because Apple published some of it? Or the claim came from actually developing appls that make use of it? I don't think somebody gained the experience within few hours of Apple's event.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

#159

This was interesting: "Touch ID- For the first time, you’ll have the option of using Touch ID to sign in to third-party apps — there’s no need to enter a password. Your fingerprint data is protected and is never accessed by iOS or other apps." Will this be used significantly by developers?

yes, i think so. Any app that has a password on it now will likely "upgrade" to this. Prime examples being finance apps.

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it doesn't have to better, it has to be good enough, which is the point the OP was trying to make. There are some things about Android that are better and there are some things about iOS that are better. Intents were a thing that has been better in the past on Android (by virtue of not existing on iOS), and a reason that some people have stuck with Android even though they might prefer iOS for a lot of things. If the…

But how does anyone one know if they are "good enough" already? Just because Apple published some of it? Or the claim came from actually developing appls that make use of it? I don't think somebody gained the experience within few hours of Apple's event.

You don't. That's why he said "might". Since it's not even out yet, I doubt anyone is buying a device based on the announcement today. We'll find out at some point after they release it and the reviews come in.
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