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The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by sterlingross »

georgemcbay wrote: post #109
baby wrote: post #60

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This is a huge problem with new consoles I find. I don't remember having to update my N64 every time I wanted to play it. But my PS3? Every time I want to play I have to spend like 30 minutes in downloading and installing an update. Every single time. I don't play that often but still do play from times to times and I haven't had a clean launch for years.

Agreed completely. I joked that the U in "Wii U" stood for "update" because the amount of forced modal updates required to every part of the system was almost comical when the system was new. I've also got the Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3 and PS4 and all are basically the same... if I haven't turned it on in a couple weeks it is nearly guaranteed I'll have to sit through a couple-hundred megabyte update or two (for the OS…

That is really good to know, thank you. I've been thinking of getting a console, but I have limited bandwidth via a satellite connection. Constant updates as you described would eat my allowance up really fast.

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by im3w1l »

derefr wrote: post #130
georgemcbay wrote: post #109

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Agreed completely. I joked that the U in "Wii U" stood for "update" because the amount of forced modal updates required to every part of the system was almost comical when the system was new. I've also got the Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3 and PS4 and all are basically the same... if I haven't turned it on in a couple weeks it is nearly guaranteed I'll have to sit through a couple-hundred megabyte update or two (for the OS…

You'd think somebody would learn from Microsoft's long, hard struggle with Windows Update, and make consoles do the same thing Windows now does: download the update in the background at low priority while the console is on , then install it when you shut the console off . (And, for added effect, make the console actually look and sound like it has powered off while the updates are still installing. Windows 8 does thi…

> look and sound like it has powered off while the updates are still installing

What happens if the user unplugs in this state?

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by nightski »

sexmonad wrote: post #148
nightski wrote: post #144

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Wouldn't all these issues be present anyways if the thief simply turned on the machine?

No. If I shut down my laptop, my hard drive is encrypted and keys are no longer in RAM (modulo a cold-boot attack, but that is only really useful for <30 minutes after shutdown without preparation).

You must have great reasons to be so paranoid. I am slightly jealous.

I mean the chances of putting the laptop to sleep and having your laptop stolen by someone with enough knowledge to obtain access to the keys in RAM to decrypt the hard drive - well, that would be an amazing story! Not to mention the fact that you have data that would be worth all of that trouble!

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by anon4 »

ekianjo wrote: post #138
derefr wrote: post #130

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You'd think somebody would learn from Microsoft's long, hard struggle with Windows Update, and make consoles do the same thing Windows now does: download the update in the background at low priority while the console is on , then install it when you shut the console off . (And, for added effect, make the console actually look and sound like it has powered off while the updates are still installing. Windows 8 does thi…

> then install it when you shut the console off. I seriously hate that on my laptop. I want to switch off and be on my way and suddenly Windows tells me it needs to install an update before shutting off. Seriously wtf! This is the kind of things that drives me to Linux, where I know that when I click Shut down, the system will be off in 20 seconds.

Well, the shut down button shows if it will install updates. If you don't want to, choose restart, then do a hardware shutdown during POST.

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by nightski »

im3w1l wrote: post #152
derefr wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think somebody would learn from Microsoft's long, hard struggle with Windows Update, and make consoles do the same thing Windows now does: download the update in the background at low priority while the console is on , then install it when you shut the console off . (And, for added effect, make the console actually look and sound like it has powered off while the updates are still installing. Windows 8 does thi…

> look and sound like it has powered off while the updates are still installing What happens if the user unplugs in this state?

It says not to while it's doing it in large lettering. You'd likely corrupt the installation. How much that would affect the user would probably depend on the update.

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by ytjohn »

ollysb wrote: post #116
sp332 wrote: post #83

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You can just add a timer, like Bomberman did, or limit the number of levels or something. I played a puzzle game where the free version was limited to a certain number of moves per day. A timer would have worked fine for The Stanley Parable.

Maybe OUYA could take care of this automatically, just freeze the game after the time limit had been hit. The developer could just specify how long they want the trial to be.

I like that. But what I would like to see would not be a total hours timer, but so much time in a given period. This should be set by developer per game.

I'm thinking of the scenario mentioned in the article where the owner tried it once and put it away. If he had tried a couple demo games that first day by himself, then came back to it months or a year later, then those games might no longer allow the trial.

I think a great thing would be based more on total game time. You get 8 hours of in-game time to try this, then you must pay. Then another factor could be "the trial resets after 30, 60, 90 days".

As long as these are options the developer can pick and tweak, that would be great. It would also be good for the developer (though maybe not for privacy) if the Ouya could report game play stats (avg times opened per day/week/month, avg time played per session, users that "max out" their trial vs those that "abandon" the game).

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by ekianjo »

nightski wrote: post #144
Twirrim wrote: post #141

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That's really bad from a security perspective. It's possible to retrieve all sorts of data from a machine that has been 'slept', especially things like the decryption key for the HDD. Various ports on the outside of the laptop, like USB, have DMA for performance reasons.

Wouldn't all these issues be present anyways if the thief simply turned on the machine?

Boot Bios password. You ever heard of this ?

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by ekianjo »

anon4 wrote: post #154
ekianjo wrote: post #138

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> then install it when you shut the console off. I seriously hate that on my laptop. I want to switch off and be on my way and suddenly Windows tells me it needs to install an update before shutting off. Seriously wtf! This is the kind of things that drives me to Linux, where I know that when I click Shut down, the system will be off in 20 seconds.

Well, the shut down button shows if it will install updates. If you don't want to, choose restart, then do a hardware shutdown during POST.

That's not what I expect from a OS in the 21st century. I want to be able to do things my way without having to circumvent the system.

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by Osiris »

dublinben wrote: post #88
Osiris wrote: post #61

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That's what I'm doing and it works very well. As a media device, it's the best option I've found. Built-in wireless, fast CPU, lots of RAM, supports Netflix, Amazon Instant, Hulu, XBMC, Pandora, and more. Roku has more channels available, but doesn't have any options for streaming content over a LAN. I played a few minutes of Minion Rush on the Amazon Fire TV. It had some laggy moments, certainly not the gaming exper…

>but doesn't have any options for streaming content over a LAN This is simply not true. Plex has been available on the Roku for years. It's one of the most popular channels.

Plex is terrible. It requires transcoding audio and video on the fly, which requires a hefty media server. XBMC decodes everything on the fly on the local box requiring no transcoding.

Re: The shock of playing the Ouya, one year later

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Post by barbs »

stinos wrote: post #146
barbs wrote: post #136

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Windows updates are the worst. Once it decided to restart to install updates right in the middle of a dota game. I now run linux mint on my gaming rig, so that's never a problem

another solution (solely to the updating problem) would be to disable automaitc updates, no?

Well, in a sense. I'd still want automatic updates, but what I don't want is it to automatically force the computer to restart.

This is possible to turn off in Windows, but requires fiddling with the registry.

I just realised that my original post wasn't clear - my computer RESTARTED in the middle of my game. Hence my frustration :).

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