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Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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I cannot do a literary critique. But I can tell you that when I was 17, I started reading "One hundred years of solicitude" and couldn't stop until I finished the whole book. I felt enchanted, it is a feeling that I never had either before or after. I read it in Spanish, (my native tongue) so your mileage may vary.

I think sometimes it is OK to be simply enchanted. (Well I think it's always OK, but ...) I tend to favor literary "analysis" that dwells on that feeling of enchantment, tries to explain it to an extent, and sometimes even re-create that feeling. I'm not sure an overarching "meaning" is always really needed. For several years I followed the mailing lists dedicated to several of my favorite authors, and at the same ti…

> University was mostly good for learning to write a certain kind of essay, and how to read in ways that are valued by tenured professors.

Not to be pedantic, but what specific value did you find in academic literary critique? My personal experience in University wasn't very positive. I found most books/papers to be derivative or more of a documentation of humanities people's self-referential knowledge (e.g., explaining all of the literary (Grego-Roman, Biblical and Celtic) allusions and historical context in "Ulysses"; and therefore, all of these allusions fit in this grand theory of {Hegelian Dialectic, Post-modernity}).

IMO, it kind of defeats the purpose of literature if one has to be so well versed in the Western cannon or whatever cannon to appreciate a narrative which ultimately conveys a human experience. A humanities grad student once explained to me that in literary analysis, the creativity is "in the interpretation as opposed to the creation for the author." I don't understand why in a subjective experience as literature, why an academic's word is then more valuable than mine or a monkey's. But I'm curious why you have a different perspective as for why professors in humanities have good perspective on literature.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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OT but tangential any magical realism authors to read? So far, I got Marquez, Jorge Louis Borges and Murakami. And preferably recommendation should be good to provide philosophical consolation to a code monkey worker-bee in the capitalist society.

Master and Margarita by Bulgakov? Not sure if it is considered a work of magic realism, but elements are there for sure.

Also worth a read if you're a Rolling Stones fan.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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Go on so. I'll bite. First favourite author? (If we can even rate and rank so crudely.)

I sorta regret writing that in retrospect because its a somewhat reply-bait thing to write. But I was thinking of Bohumil Hrabal as my most dear author. In some respects they are very different, in that Hrabal doesn't quite have the same magical realism bent. But in their writing itself, in their structure, they are often similar: Hrabal also favors extremely long sentences. Hrabal's book Dancing Lessons for the Adva…

Speed reading has recently been a thing here on HN, and I think these passages beautifully illustrate the shortcomings of those techniques. I've always been a very fast reader, and it was quite difficult for me to figure out how to appreciate this kind of literature.

I can easily absorb information from man pages, and get a lot of enjoyment out of more intellectual fiction like what Charlie Stross or Alastair Reynolds write, but it's a whole different skill-set to read and enjoy writing like this. Marquez' style really requires you to turn off large parts of your information-processing brain, and just listen to the narration like it was someone else reading a story to you.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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Which was the short story with the sadistic dentist torturing the mayor?

You're recalling One of These Days http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/ootdays.html (Slightly sad to see his life written as Gabriel Garcia Marquez (1928-____ ) on the page. Today we know the answer to the blank.)

"Es la misma vaina."

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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Exactly. The sentence in English is translated perfectly in this instance - the underlying implication of 'to see ice' carries the exact same meaning as the Spanish.

Not really. "to see ice" in English is more dubious than the phrase in Spanish, as you don't really know whether or not the character is doing it for the first time. A translation closer in meaning would be "to get to know ice".

Don't forget that the translator knows just as well as you or I what the Spanish means - he also understands what it means when you take a child to see something - an expression that almost without exclusion means taking a child to see something for the first time.

"To get to know" takes us further away from the meaning, not closer.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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Can someone provide a quick summary of what was it that made Marquez so prominent? I had not know much about him at all. FYI, if like me, you have trouble accessing the article, and using Chrome, right-click and open in an incognito window.

“By two o'clock in the morning they had each drunk three brandies, and he knew, in truth, that he was not the man she was looking for, and he was glad to know it. "Bravo, lionlady," he said when he left. "We have killed the tiger.”

“To him she seemed so beautiful, so seductive, so different from ordinary people, that he could not understand why no one was as disturbed as he by the clicking of her heels on the paving stones, why no one else's heart was wild with the breeze stirred by the sighs of her veils, why everyone did not go mad with the movements of her braid, the flight of her hands, the gold of her laughter. He had not missed a single one of her gestures, not one of the indications of her character, but he did not dare approach her for fear of destroying the spell.”

“He is ugly and sad... but he is all love.”

“[The captain] looked at Florentino Ariza, his invincible power, his intrepid love and was overwhelmed by the belated suspicion that it is life, more than death, that has no limits.”

Fermina Daza: "No. Forget it."

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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OT but tangential any magical realism authors to read? So far, I got Marquez, Jorge Louis Borges and Murakami. And preferably recommendation should be good to provide philosophical consolation to a code monkey worker-bee in the capitalist society.

Thomas Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49: -- where ONE (deceased?) Pierce Inveraity(PI) owns most of San Narcisco, where everyone else, the passed-over Preterite, toss their composed loved letters in the waste can to communicate, and their lives become a miracle by Picard's Theorem in the Cauchy integral formula, eg, Exectrix Oedipa and the Paranoids being chased by a pathological Tony `The Jaguar' and his mafia soldier goons, till sufficiently close to the boundary shores of an artificial island in the middle of PI's artificial closed contoured lake, and withess' another miracle. Again.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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post #76

In his autobiography he tells a story I love. While writing 100 Years of Solitude he listened to The Beatles' A Hard Day Night album on repeat. After the book was published he received a letter from a group of Mexican college students who asked him if he was listening to A Hard Day's Night when writing the book, because they felt the album in his words.

What a nice story, thanks for sharing. Which autobiography is this one you are talking about? I loved 100 Years of Solitude...

I think probably OP is referring to "Living to Tell the Tale" which is the only autobiographical work Marquez wrote.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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post #132

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I've been collecting great opening lines to books. This line has topped the list -- not that I ranked them, but I put it first, followed by "It was inevitable. The scent of bitter almonds always reminded Dr. Juvenal Urbino of the fate of unrequited love." from Love in the Time of Cholera. If you know of others that are missing, let me know: http://joshuaspodek.com/great-opening-lines-to-books On a note of remembrance…

My favorite opening line is definitely "The following day, no one died.", from Saramago's Death with Interrruptions. Wonderful book.

Did you read it in English? If so, does it follow his very particular style using a capitalised word after a comma for dialogues?

Being able to enjoy Saramago at full potential is one of the few things that makes me very happy to be Portuguese.

Re: Gabriel García Márquez, Literary Pioneer, Dies at 87

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I think sometimes it is OK to be simply enchanted. (Well I think it's always OK, but ...) I tend to favor literary "analysis" that dwells on that feeling of enchantment, tries to explain it to an extent, and sometimes even re-create that feeling. I'm not sure an overarching "meaning" is always really needed. For several years I followed the mailing lists dedicated to several of my favorite authors, and at the same ti…

> University was mostly good for learning to write a certain kind of essay, and how to read in ways that are valued by tenured professors. Not to be pedantic, but what specific value did you find in academic literary critique? My personal experience in University wasn't very positive. I found most books/papers to be derivative or more of a documentation of humanities people's self-referential knowledge (e.g., explain…

Well, I'm not sure I have as strong of a position on this as I should. The way literature is talked about in university isn't really the way I would ever prefer to talk about literature really, but it was enlightening in the same way that doing anything strenuous outside of your comfort zone can be enlightening. The essays themselves, if you had a demanding prof, could be an excellent chance to practice analytical thinking and learn to compose your thoughts on paper.

In general, I don't think there's a compelling reason why Writing Composition has to be tied so closely to Literature. And really of the two most demanding essay-writing profs I had, only one taught literature. (The other taught symbolic logic and a Frege/Russell/Wittgenstein seminar I took.)

You're right that most the essays are derivative and bad, but I think that's general to all writing--fiction, non-fiction, academic writing, whatever. It's all usually derivative and bad because it's really hard to make something that isn't. And while there is a taste for those name-dropping "look what I've read" essays, I never had a prof that didn't also appreciate a tight, close reading. I always stuck to close reading anyway, as I suspect most people on this forum would. (It feels less bullshitty to look at one or two small things extremely closely, than to fling around loose references to god knows what theories and famous names.)

It's interesting that your friend said that. I'm not sure I understand completely what is meant by that, but here's my personal take on it: I think literary criticism should be subject to the same scrutiny that the original literary texts are. And if a work doesn't partake of creative exuberance* like an excellent novel or poem might, then I can't really be bothered to care about it. I think literature should respond in kind. Some criticism does this, and is breathtaking in the same way reading Whitman, e.g., can be breathtaking. Bloom's little book Anxiety of Influence, for example, is something I found beautiful and strange in a way I had never before encountered.

I don't think academic literary critics really see what they do as an artform necessarily, so my view is probably a very marginal one, and one they might scoff at. I don't even know of a sub-discipline that promotes criticism-as-artform, so maybe I'm just weird. Probably weird.

In the end I try to take a soft stance on this because I want to leave room for the idea that other people may enjoy things that I don't. I would never talk about literature the way they do outside of the pressures of "academic success," but perhaps they find it to be genuinely thrilling. If so, I'm only happy for them, and wish them the best. Many of them had an obvious passion for literature, including one prof who was completely looney-tunes for Shakespeare. :-) And that's nothing but delightful.

* - which isn't to imply there need be an exuberant style.

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