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Re: Google Video Quality Report

#151

Anybody else see "Results from your location are not yet available." when you hover over "Your Results"?

I have this as well, and I'm in Los Angeles, which seems like one of the earlier markets they'd nail down. Can someone who does have results for their area post a screenshot of what it looks like?

Same in Austin, TX, where Google Fiber is coming next.

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#152

Now that it's fully legal for ISPs to throttle Netflix, Google, et al (thanks, Verizon) and extort money from them in return for giving customers the bandwidth they pay for, I think it's time for all the major players to track performance on the networks and call out the throttlers with a message right over the video stream on their website and in-app (Android, iOS, Xbox, etc). SO, when you use TWC and are getting on…

Just to play devils advocate here, but has anyone fully considered the impact on ISPs that this massive increase in demand is having on them. Especially the hated Cable companies who are seeing customers turn their backs on their own TV products whilst shouting and demanding more and more bandwidth so they can watch (and pay instead) NetFlix et al. NetFlix and YouTube do not pay the ISPs anything. ISPs are not some c…

There was some similar discussion in Germany last year. The major ISP announced to throttle monthly traffic above 70 GB in the future. Funnily enough they told that 70 GB are enough for every user while telling everyone that Internet traffic has a high increase every year.

Fact is, that their backbones aren't on any limit at all. The real bottleneck of the Internet connection is actually the last mile, the subscriber line. And that cable is exclusive per customer, so no shared medium and throttling wouldn't improve anything than making it possible to earn more money by selling premium contracts. To be fair, this is different for Internet over the TV cable which is indeed a shared medium. Still, throttling on the basis of a monthly limit doesn't make sense since it is reset for the beginning of every month.

Oh, and also that ISP was the only one not interested in doing a direct peering with Google's local CDNs for free. In France Google is actually paying for getting YouTube better routed.

The important thing is that these ISPs just try to make money on both ends of the cable while actually arguing with the power of the opponents. "Hey enduser, here you'll get YouTube! - Hey Google, wanna have more satisfied users?" And that they are often actively lying for achieving that.

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end. Google, Netflix, myself (PortableApps.com), we all pay for bandwidth to host and serve videos, binary downloads, etc. And then the home user is paying on their end. But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth, a lie, and then have ghost caps, throttling, etc. The only person being dishonest here is the ISP. And having…

> The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end We are really only paying for bandwidth to/from our providers. Everything in-between is best effort, nebulous peering arrangements, etc. > But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth I doubt you can find a single residential Internet provider who advertises unlimited bandwidth at this point. The marketing for 'unlimit…

> Way more likely ISPs will do a little deep packet inspection and re-write the page to have a message along the lines of "Netflix & Google are the reason your rates keep going up. Your video is buffering because Netflix & Google want YOU to pay more for Internet service"

Haha, good luck with that on increasingly HTTPS-only services.

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end. Google, Netflix, myself (PortableApps.com), we all pay for bandwidth to host and serve videos, binary downloads, etc. And then the home user is paying on their end. But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth, a lie, and then have ghost caps, throttling, etc. The only person being dishonest here is the ISP. And having…

> The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end We are really only paying for bandwidth to/from our providers. Everything in-between is best effort, nebulous peering arrangements, etc. > But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth I doubt you can find a single residential Internet provider who advertises unlimited bandwidth at this point. The marketing for 'unlimit…

Manipulating websites that way is likely illegal in a lot of countries.

Re: Google Video Quality Report

#155

Now that it's fully legal for ISPs to throttle Netflix, Google, et al (thanks, Verizon) and extort money from them in return for giving customers the bandwidth they pay for, I think it's time for all the major players to track performance on the networks and call out the throttlers with a message right over the video stream on their website and in-app (Android, iOS, Xbox, etc). SO, when you use TWC and are getting on…

Just to play devils advocate here, but has anyone fully considered the impact on ISPs that this massive increase in demand is having on them. Especially the hated Cable companies who are seeing customers turn their backs on their own TV products whilst shouting and demanding more and more bandwidth so they can watch (and pay instead) NetFlix et al. NetFlix and YouTube do not pay the ISPs anything. ISPs are not some c…

Yeah, how much would it cost to lay new fiber and all the necessary equipment to support 1Gbps/house? Less than [https://www.google.com/search?q=google+fiber+profitable] $70/month/house [https://fiber.google.com/cities/kansascity/plans/] it turns out.

Now, admittedly wiring up all the suburbs and rural areas might cost more, but the incumbent players are really not so beleaguered [http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=CMCSA+Income+Statement&annua...].

Re: Google Video Quality Report

#156
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end. Google, Netflix, myself (PortableApps.com), we all pay for bandwidth to host and serve videos, binary downloads, etc. And then the home user is paying on their end. But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth, a lie, and then have ghost caps, throttling, etc. The only person being dishonest here is the ISP. And having…

> The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end We are really only paying for bandwidth to/from our providers. Everything in-between is best effort, nebulous peering arrangements, etc. > But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth I doubt you can find a single residential Internet provider who advertises unlimited bandwidth at this point. The marketing for 'unlimit…

I doubt you can find a single residential Internet provider who advertises unlimited bandwidth at this point.

Nation-wide? Maybe. But there are plenty of ISPs that offer unlimited bandwidth as a differentiating feature. See sonic.net, which covers most of CA[1].

1: http://www.sonic.net/sales/maps/

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> it turned out that their CDN works by using DNS to direct you to local servers Are these servers' IPs static? Can they be hardcoded in your hosts file?

I use TomatoUSB on my home router, which includes dnsmasq (under Advanced / DHCP/DNS, there's a textarea for "Dnsmasq custom configuration"). I have a line in there: server=/netflix.com/75.75.75.75 which tells dnsmasq to use my ISP's dns (75.75.75.75) instead of my default (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4), only when resolving domains that look like netflix.com. I don't actually know whether this is an anchored regex or what, ma…

Kinda off-topic, but why do you use Google's DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4)? Unless I'm missing something, by doing so you are basically giving them a record of every domain you access. I don't really trust my ISP either, but why share that information with anyone else (especially a company with great interest in data mining everyone)?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it turned out that their CDN works by using DNS to direct you to local servers Are these servers' IPs static? Can they be hardcoded in your hosts file?

I use TomatoUSB on my home router, which includes dnsmasq (under Advanced / DHCP/DNS, there's a textarea for "Dnsmasq custom configuration"). I have a line in there: server=/netflix.com/75.75.75.75 which tells dnsmasq to use my ISP's dns (75.75.75.75) instead of my default (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4), only when resolving domains that look like netflix.com. I don't actually know whether this is an anchored regex or what, ma…

  > I use TomatoUSB on my home router, which includes dnsmasq (under Advanced / DHCP/DNS, there's a textarea for "Dnsmasq custom configuration"). I have a line in there:

      server=/netflix.com/75.75.75.75

  > which tells dnsmasq to use my ISP's dns (75.75.75.75) instead of my default (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4), only when resolving domains that look like netflix.com.
You are my hero, good sir! You've just inadvertently provided the solution I didn't know existed to fix my Netflix and Hulu issues.

Re: Google Video Quality Report

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end. Google, Netflix, myself (PortableApps.com), we all pay for bandwidth to host and serve videos, binary downloads, etc. And then the home user is paying on their end. But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth, a lie, and then have ghost caps, throttling, etc. The only person being dishonest here is the ISP. And having…

> The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end We are really only paying for bandwidth to/from our providers. Everything in-between is best effort, nebulous peering arrangements, etc. > But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth I doubt you can find a single residential Internet provider who advertises unlimited bandwidth at this point. The marketing for 'unlimit…

>We are really only paying for bandwidth to/from our providers. Everything in-between is best effort, nebulous peering arrangements, etc.

I don't know about you, but I'm certainly not. I fully intend to be provided connectivity to the wider Internet at the speed advertised. The money I'm giving to them pays for the peering arrangements that let that happen. Let me put it another way, I wouldn't pay anything for a connection that's just to/from Comcast with no wider connectivity.

>Way more likely ISPs will do a little deep packet inspection and re-write the page to have a message along the lines of "Netflix & Google are the reason your rates keep going up.

Netflix and Google can just use HTTPS if that happens. I believe Google already does.

Re: Google Video Quality Report

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end. Google, Netflix, myself (PortableApps.com), we all pay for bandwidth to host and serve videos, binary downloads, etc. And then the home user is paying on their end. But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth, a lie, and then have ghost caps, throttling, etc. The only person being dishonest here is the ISP. And having…

> The big difference is that each player is already paying for bandwidth at their end We are really only paying for bandwidth to/from our providers. Everything in-between is best effort, nebulous peering arrangements, etc. > But, ISPs charge their customers for 'unlimited' bandwidth I doubt you can find a single residential Internet provider who advertises unlimited bandwidth at this point. The marketing for 'unlimit…

Interestingly, in Australia we have had Data Caps for a significant amount of time (2002 I believe was when Telstra introduced the 3gb Cable Cap).

I know it's not US based, but looking at ISP's and their offerings elsewhere, there are options available. For example I have an Unlimited ADSL2+ connection from TPG (www.tpg.com.au). The trend locally seems to be ISP's offering more data and more value for money (Unlimited in some cases, but 500GB / 1TB plans for marginal fees per month)

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