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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by mousefad »

refurb wrote: post #106
dopamean wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it would be different if we did a dump of all the emails from oncologists at the Moffitt Center and found out they were putting doctors on the news to say smoking is good for your health and then highfiving each other via email after.

You would be actually shocked how driven by money many oncologists are. Back when I used to consult, I had an oncologist tell me, with no hesitation, that he prefers to prescribe the drugs that give him the best profit margin, even if that means it's not the best choice for the patient. I'm pretty sure if you checked his email you'd find some pretty shocking stuff as well.

In which case, publishing them would be a public good - doctors who put profit over positive outcomes for their patients should be named and shamed and patients would be better off knowing to avoid them.

This is in fact a solid argument for why transparency of this kind is a Good Thing.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by simgidacav »

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

> I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes.

Please, tell this to everybody claiming "I've nothing to hide". They will realize that YES, they've got something to hide, and then they possibly would shut the fuck up.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by madaxe »

pekk wrote: post #110
COMS wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the ground human intelligence is power. And Barron's called Stratfor "the shadow CIA". I have limited experience in this but I've seen some egregious things with current intelligence employees and private contractors. I think you are underestimating outside ways these guys could profit and/or use their intelligence collection news company to encourage those profits.

Since intelligence is just a fancy word for news, I guess that means every journalist needs to be at the sharp end of the same mob justice

Journalists who try to incite violence and then profit from it? Yes, absolutely.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng »

whyenot wrote: post #82
loceng wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people should be hung.

People who say something you don't like should be lynched? Really? How about what you are doing, advocating for someone's murder?

There's a difference between someone who says something, and someone who acts out on it - and when they're in the business of selling weapons or profiting from it - and say something like that, which will lead to action or is inherently acted upon because of the nature of what they're doing (the business they are in) - then it's no longer just a "freedom of speech" thing.

You can say you want to kill someone, or even tell them you're going to kill them - but under law, it's only when you act on it OR have a plan to do so that the scenario becomes illegal - and you'll go to jail if you then kill said person (assuming you get caught) or have a plan to do so. Likewise, them just saying wouldn't be illegal, however I feel them acting out and selling actual weapons to both sides (and perhaps somehow inciting war between two parties to then profit) should IMHO be illegal, stating their intent they would and would love to is not only having a plan stated but perhaps one of the most disturbing disconnected inhumane uncaring violent acts a person could partake in.

I don't generally agree that killing of anyone is right - though perhaps with the only exception of those who actively kill others or lead violence - however that's for a society to determine what is acceptable. Unfortunately many things a society deems unacceptable (even existing laws that are enforced) are happening and go unchanged, though we're moving towards a system that is more in line with general views. There are more basic issues that need to be taken care of first to help alleviate people's worries and stresses, removing fear of survival will solve most, if not lead to solving all problems.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng »

pekk wrote: post #112
loceng wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people should be hung.

Mean, cynical and snarky remarks are a hanging offense, apparently

You don't see any problem with this, a conflict of interest, that might lead to incentivizing said weapons company to be more inclined to help incite a war between two parties - which they'll clearly be happy to profit from?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by ThomPete »

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Call it collateral damage. They have no problems inflicting that on others.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by ThomPete »

An absolute gem

"... 2010-12-03 11:54:04 FW: Manning & Wiki Founder Arrest/Prosecution? scott.stewart@stratfor.com gfriedman@stratfor.com

Holy crap, we're passing Fred's rantings to confederation partners?

From: Emre Dogru [mailto:emre.dogru@stratfor.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:37 AM To: burton Cc: Confederation Subject: Fwd: Manning & Wiki Founder Arrest/Prosecution?

Hey Fred, one of our confed partners (Sabah daily) would like to use this information without any attribution. But he just wonders if your source used "fry" in the sense that Manning should be executed by electrocution, or does it mean something else in intel business lingo?..."

https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=410181

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by damirkotoric »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #146
ryanwhitney wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Horrible, but this has been online for awhile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyar-Way5RE

I'm going to say that the video is almost certainly not real and is in fact a training video.

A training video? Showing them how to behave like barbaric cunts?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng »

pekk wrote: post #112
loceng wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people should be hung.

Mean, cynical and snarky remarks are a hanging offense, apparently

To note, my comment is under the assumption they are involved in facilitating this process, and not merely just talking about it.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng »

dandelany wrote: post #79
loceng wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the action of selling weapons to both sides is much different than someone simply talking about it. Giving someone the ability to make money selling weapons has its own problems - which will incentivize those people who are looking to make profit do things they wouldn't normally otherwise do, and then worse - if they have the ability to sell weapons to both sides of a battle or war, what might they be willing to…

Please do some research before you make accusations like this. I have seen zero evidence that they're involved in the arms trade whatsoever . Your conclusion to the contrary is based on a misreading of a bad joke taken out of context. See my other comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6743185

You're right - I assumed they are involved in the arms trade. I should have clarified what I meant. I assumed too that this wouldn't be a mob going after them, though a due process to gather information and evidence. What would your thoughts be if they were in fact say an employee (of any level) of a weapons company? Also, you're equally assuming it's a "bad joke taken out of context."
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