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Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by hobs »

welly wrote: post #142
harryf wrote: post #70

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All privacy questions aside, I quit Facebook simply because every time I used it, the "after taste" was that I'd wasted my time and made myself stupider in the process. The good news is "real life" still works perfectly fine for social interactions and a positive side effect is another source of distractions eliminated - I'm a fan of http://focusmanifesto.com/

> All privacy questions aside... ...I'd wasted my time and made myself stupider in the process. You perhaps need to find smarter friends then.

Really? All my friends who use facebook at first thought it was a useful tool, and then slowly the bloat beyond the first few friends you actually give a shit about occurs. Your feed started becoming invite spam and people who you dont even really know commenting on their breakfast or their kids or their cat doing a dumb thing.

All I can think of when I see this on other people's screens (though most of the app invite spam has been taken care of): "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by [deleted] »

jimwalsh wrote: post #140
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I love how the HN type of people come into Facebook threads like this claiming that using the site is bad and that they are above everyone for never using it. It's not that simple for people that aren't in the same circles as HN readers. Younger generations utilize it as their primary means of keeping in touch with people. That's fine if you get along well without it. But take a step back and look at all the teenager…

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Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by rahoulb »

eksith wrote: post #105
grey-area wrote: post #98

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Nobody uses email This is an absurd statement - over 1 billion people use email, far more than actively use FB messages. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Many people don't. I've never had an account and never had a problem in my professional or social life as a result. It's just never come up. If your friends all use Facebook, tell them it's a bad idea (for ma…

I'll make a slight addendum: Most people have an email address if they frolic online, however I rarely meet people who prefer to conduct communications over it. Of course, they need one for FB or Twitter either way, but... Either they go to FB or DM over Twitter or some other "social thing", but they view email as far more cumbersome. This is especially true with family these days as the first question I get is, "are…

My daughter has an email address.

If I send anything to it I need to tell her (in person, text, twitter, facebook messenger, skype - pretty much anything but email) to check it.

She has switched off notifications on her phone because all she gets are marketing messages, spam and stuff from old people (ie me and her mum).

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by ansgri »

ams6110 wrote: post #141
scorpion032 wrote: post #107

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The same argument could be made for house hold locks. An experienced lock smith could open an average house hold lock in probably minutes. (not to forget most people are neither skilled lock smiths nor photoshop editors) That doesn't mean a locked home isn't secure. Most people would never think about breaching such a social contract and breaking in locks. If one wants to break in or if one wants to lie, one can alwa…

Quick startup opportunity, generate "photo ids" for people to use on Facebook. $0.99 per.

Choose the jurisdiction carefully to avoid shutdowns, I presume this service will help us more than once.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by btbuildem »

dlss wrote: post #40
DominikR wrote: post #32

I am going to get a lot of downvotes for this but I am still curious to hear what solutions the HN community could come up with for the problem Facebook is facing: Some of the accounts have been hacked. You locked the accounts as a security measure. Now you need to validate that some person is the actual owner of the account. How would you solve this problem? (Sending a code via text message to the owners mobile devi…

I'll take a stab at this. Before I get in to it, we need to correct a misconception on your part: using a government ID doesn't work in every case. It turns out hackers know how to forge government ID images, and some of FB's users don't have government IDs (for instance, before I turned 16 all I had was a private school id). With that out of the way, I think they should do what you suggested: sms verification. Email…

It's not a bank account, or the controls of an ICBM.. What's the worst that will happen if you lose your FB account? You might blink a few times, snap out of the feedback look, and move on.

Of course FB wouldn't want that, but what they're doing doesn't seem to help user retention either.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by tripzilch »

sneak wrote: post #113
halviti wrote: post #112

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I've never used Twitter or Facebook, and I have zero problem communicating with friends and family, nor have I noticed any difference in my communication with anyone regardless of wherever they spend their free time on the internet. If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want to reconsider how close those people are to you.

> If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want to reconsider how close those people are to you. Indeed, it would be very neat if the world worked that way. Unfortunately, I have, and they are, and they don't use email. I was on facebook for ~2 years, was off for five, and have been back on for about a month. The frequency and quality of communication with almost everyone I care about and…

> I was on facebook for ~2 years, was off for five, and have been back on for about a month. The frequency and quality of communication with almost everyone I care about and don't see often (I moved continents from where I grew up) has increased dramatically.

I'm in a similar boat, almost.

A few years ago I finally succumbed to getting on FB. But after a few months I got spooked again, because of this seemingly never-ending barrage of FB-related privacy scandals at the time (and due to my interests I got a lot of such news). So I deleted the whole thing--wait no I merely shut down the account, they'd never let me delete the whole thing hahahaha :)

But currently I'm really on the fence of going back again. Because so many people around me use it as their primary mode of communication. Privacy-wise not much has changed, and "thanks" to the NSA scandals, I now know it's a lost cause whether I'm on FB or not. Use has gone way up. My meditation group plans all their things on FB and I have to use email or text to get in the loop :) They don't mind, fortunately, but it is cumbersome.

I dunno why I'm telling you this, but your last line, tell me more :) I need some convincing I guess, before I bite the bullet and go there. How many accounts should I need, you think? :)

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by ChikkaChiChi »

bcoates wrote: post #129
sneak wrote: post #102

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> Nobody invites anyone to anything without creating a Facebook event. > If I suddenly leave Facebook I am certain I'll also lose out on a lot of social life. This. You can't expect people to set up and populate their own mailing lists to notify everybody they want to invite to their birthday party or share news of their engagement. I hate it too, but the reality is that being off facebook means losing touch with peo…

Before Facebook, there was this thing called "the Grapevine", a decentralized communication network of people who were so intensely interested in everyone else's doings that you couldn't stop them from keeping you up to date about it. I have not, despite my best efforts, been able to unsubscribe from it.

and that "Grapevine" usually resulted in news of your engagement turning into a story about how you helped Maverick engage MIG's over the Bering Strait just in time to save Iceman.

...am I the only one who remembers "The Telephone Game" from pre-school?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by ChikkaChiChi »

sneak wrote: post #89

One of my least favorite memes in western society is that individual people actually believe that the government has some say in defining your name or the boundaries of your family. Everything from the idea of "legally changed his name" to "same-sex marriage" illustrates the problems of turning to city hall for approval or consent of individuals' and families' deeply personal and private matters. I wish the US had tw…

Wouldn't solve the abortion debate. I used to say the same thing until someone explained to me that they are fighting for the same rights of the unborn children.

I'm not saying that position is right or wrong; I'm just saying that said position exists.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by rml »

thibauts wrote: post #101
darkbot wrote: post #45

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Have a look at Diaspora

We've been contaminated by greed as a community. We think about building the product that will make us millionnaires when we should be working hard to design consumer tools and protocols that avoid lock-in and promote freedom. We're mislead by people from other spheres that will be the grand winners and leave us with a f-up world and playground. We either build for them or are assimilated by the lure of dollars. Wher…

Wow, this is one of the first things I've read on HN to give me pause in a long, long time. Thank you for writing it.
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