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Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by coldtea »

Oletros wrote: post #72
coldtea wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Funny, because I thought that the whole point of buying an Apple product is that even if you lose features and interoperability, it's incredibly well polished and thought out. Actually you only lose features you wouldn't want in the first place and would drag the whole thing down (less battery life, bulkier, etc). Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs. As for "incredib…

> Actually you only lose features you wouldn't want in the first place and would drag the whole thing down (less battery life, bulkier, etc) And why I wouldn't want them? Are you deciding what I want or not?

>And why I wouldn't want them? Are you deciding what I want or not?

No, Apple's deciding and the market votes with his wallet (and judging from their actually buying stuff --and at the quite expensive end of the market at that--, it has voted much in favor of those decisions for a decade or so).

There's always some people, call them sui generis, or mavericks, or loonies, that do want a floppy drive in their laptop, and not even because they have a specific business needs. They just love these flexible plastic suckers. Others can't live without physical Blue-Ray disks (just as some people swore by Betamax or quad cassetes).

And in the case of phones, some just got to have a 440 dpi screen (despite not seeing much different from 300), near field communication, wireless charging, 4G support in 2009 when it would burn through batteries of the era in 1 hour, and what have you. It's their choice. Just not a very popular one, or what most people would call sane, especially going forward.

So, feel free to use whatever, just don't complain if it's not what the era you live in deems relevant.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by gfodor »

jfarmer wrote: post #145
gfodor wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Antennagate was a myth. They didn't change anything about the antenna, as far as I know, yet somehow the whole problem just disappeared.

And still they released a phone with antenna issues. People complained just as they are now. Apple did something relatively rare and issued a "mea cuppa" in the form of a free case. Life went on. My point was that controversies like these design hiccups, the shape of the case, etc. are not new to Apple. In some ways the design issues are significantly less severe since they can be corrected without new hardware.

You keep implying Apple released a phone with legitimate antenna issues. My understanding is this has been pretty much shown to be false. Apple was responding to a media shitstorm and Jobs said the issue was "overblown." In other words, it was probably an extremely rare, if not completely non-existent, issue but was magnified due to the fact that it happened to a well known blogger.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by coldtea »

hahainternet wrote: post #97
coldtea wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Funny, because I thought that the whole point of buying an Apple product is that even if you lose features and interoperability, it's incredibly well polished and thought out. Actually you only lose features you wouldn't want in the first place and would drag the whole thing down (less battery life, bulkier, etc). Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs. As for "incredib…

> Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs. Tell that to my mother, who used her phone's built in FM radio daily until her retirement. It's clear from the tone of your post though that dissent is useless.

>Tell that to my mother, who used her phone's built in FM radio daily until her retirement.

An older woman close on retirement is not exactly having her finger on the pulse of what's current, does she now?

I mean, I'm giving an example of a similar obsolete feature ("like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs") and your counter-argument is what a retiree does?

Might as well have replied "well, my grandfather rocks floppy disks on his 286 just fine".

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by coldtea »

jusben1369 wrote: post #63
coldtea wrote: post #57

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> here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanboys would have trashed it online and offline for months. Google HAS produced a UI as bad as this. Actually worse. The Android UI, up until 4 was amateur hour. And still is not up there yet. It's just held in much less scrutiny compared to Apple, because nobod…

Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.

>Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering.

Wait what? When did that happen? When did Google get "superior engineering"? For search, web etc, perhaps. But as far as iOS vs Android is concerned that was never the case.

For starters, Apple design and engineered the iPhone first. Google's Android FIRST came out a whole year later. Early Android prototypes, shown by Google just before the iPhone was announced had half-size screens and physical keyboards, just like the rest of the smartphones of the day.

Since then Apple has consistenly beat Google on hardware features, from the retina display (with much better color rendition to boot) to camera innovations, the motion co-processor, a working fingerprint sensor (for a change), and 64 bit ARM (which means far more than "being able to see more memory which isn't even installed") etc. Consistently better battery life.

Well, maybe it's not a fair comparison, because Google is not a hardware engineering company. They had to buy Motorola, which wasn't the best in the business itself, anyway. But the above are still true for Samsung offerings too.

On the industrial engineering side, Apple's designs, machining, fit and polish is unsurpassed on the Android side. Including materials used.

In the software side it's the same story. The iOS Cocoa API is leaps and bounds ahead of the Android API. It was never plagued with issues with scroll lag and display latency (and also audio latency, which is why 90% of Audio/MIDI apps are for iOS). Doesn't have a nightmarish GC experience to tend to for more involved apps. More fit and polish overall. Heck, Android even gets 80%+ of all the mobile malware around.

The major points for Android devices were not better engineering per se, but stuff like bigger screens, different configurations etc. And extra features that got marginal use, like face unlock and near field communication, stuff that Apple could have if that's how they rolled.

Some good stuff Android had first was because Apple went conservative to implement them when battery life better permitted them (like background apps -- Android just unleashed them and the hell with it, Apple trying to get the juice, and hence experience, right first).

There's one genuine thing Android had going for it, and that's the Intents system in my opinion. The "quick settings change panel" was also another good one. I don't think we can go much further.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by roc »

jcutrell wrote: post #137
derefr wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's very likely that anything that would be seen as a "bug" will be fixed in updates; whereas things that are the result of intentional (bad) design, like lack of information hierarchy, probably won't be fixed, because they won't be seen as incorrect. (Which is, nominally, what this tumblr would be for pointing out.)

To me, the Tumblr is pointing out an overall lack of attention to detail. Some of these obvious bugs should have never made it past QA/testing, but somehow they did - and that's sloppy UI, regardless of whether it was an intentional "do that" directive. I understand what you're saying, and perhaps the name of the Tumblr should change to "Issues with iOS7", but that sounds pretty boring to me. Instead, we can all agre…

> "Some of these obvious bugs should have never made it past QA/testing, but somehow they did"

Perhaps they made it past QA/testing because what is an obvious bug in a screenshot isn't necessarily obvious to generate or replicate.

I haven't seen any of those bugs in the time I've spent in iOS7.

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

gfodor wrote: post #140
jfarmer wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One word: antennagate.

Antennagate was a myth. They didn't change anything about the antenna, as far as I know, yet somehow the whole problem just disappeared.

Brian Klug of Anandtech disagrees with you:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/380217872380739...

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by mongol »

coldtea wrote: post #153
hahainternet wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not having FM radio for example is like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs. Tell that to my mother, who used her phone's built in FM radio daily until her retirement. It's clear from the tone of your post though that dissent is useless.

> Tell that to my mother, who used her phone's built in FM radio daily until her retirement. An older woman close on retirement is not exactly having her finger on the pulse of what's current, does she now? I mean, I'm giving an example of a similar obsolete feature ("like not having a floppy disk drive an modern PCs") and your counter-argument is what a retiree does? Might as well have replied "well, my grandfather…

The FM radio is the feature I value most on my Samsung phone. But it depends on where you live perhaps. Public service radio where I live is very good and its much easier to use than any podcast when the things they broadcast live is on air.

EDIT: actually I value most the web browser and the internet connection, but as an app, it is close to the top

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by reddit_clone »

electic wrote: post #112

The whole iOS7 UI is not intuitive at all. Look, I love flat UI but when I became and engineer and founder, started talking to customers, I realized that customers are simply not as aware as the people that designed and made software. They don't know what to click, they sometimes don't even know they can click something, and they often get lost. When you go to a Microsoft store and see people playing with Windows 8,…

I agree.

It is worse in touch devices. At least in a desktop webapp you have the option of waving your mouse cursor over suspect areas and can get some kind of feedback (a balloon text or some change in the status bar etc.) On a touch device, you won't know until you touch!

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by Osmium »

coldtea wrote: post #154
jusben1369 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. A better point to make would be if Google revamped their search engine and it was meaningfully degraded experience for search. They'd be criticized and rightly so as that's what they're supposed to do better than anyone else.

> Apple is really defined by superior design. Google is defined generally by superior engineering. Wait what? When did that happen? When did Google get "superior engineering"? For search, web etc, perhaps. But as far as iOS vs Android is concerned that was never the case. For starters, Apple design and engineered the iPhone first. Google's Android FIRST came out a whole year later. Early Android prototypes, shown by…

> the motion co-processor

Agree with your general points but the Moto X also has a pair of interesting co-processors: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/the-iphone-5s-the-mot...

Personally, I don't think Apple's getting anywhere enough credit for their in-house processor design at the moment. If that's not engineering talent I don't know what is. Just look at the Anandtech review for proof of that:

http://anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5

Re: Sloppy UI – A collection of sloppy iOS7 UIs

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Post by pbreit »

janlukacs wrote: post #27
dasil003 wrote: post #19

Although I'm a perfectionist and I believe a lot of these issues should be addressed, the tumblr itself bothers me. It's the logical culmination of Fail culture where hipsters in armchairs laugh at the inadequacy of everything while producing nothing. All these things could have been constructive criticism in another context, but here they just serve to further someone's twitchy compulsion to be entertained for anoth…

here's the thing though, If google would have released an UI as bad as this (just my oppinion as an iphone user) all the tech press and the hardcore apple fanboys would have trashed it online and offline for months. Who will be the role model from now on for "near perfection", "attention to detail"? Just look at this: http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hon.jpg?... and tell me how you feel about it :)

I think it's the opposite: things in the Android world are far, far worse and get very little criticism. Expectations are different.
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