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E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)

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I don't keep plates on my car because of the abundance of plate tracking applications in use by the government and private companies.

Isn't that illegal pretty much everywhere?

I keep the tabs with the registration in the glove compartment, and the plates in the trunk. If I ever get pulled over and it is an issue, it will be a fix-it ticket. Since a cop has to write you a ticket for something, a fix-it is better than a speeding ticket.

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It depends in Europe. In some countries, e.g. Germany it is like in the US, e.g. you can contest a ticket and say that the driver was a relative from another country. You can also say that you weren't the driver but you don't know who used your car. In this case you typically are forced to keep a drivers log for this vehicle for the future.

>> In this case you typically are forced to keep a drivers log for this vehicle for the future. Really?? You're found not-guilty, but you are still punished?

Presumably the log is required for any vehicle that's used by multiple drivers, like a delivery van. The log seems a reasonable legal requirement.

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I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations. This question was answered for me by a Maryland DOT person a few back during a tour of one of their operations center. The upshot is that the intended purpose of EZ-pass and other toll systems are for improved traffic flow, there is a lot of DOT involvement and the DOT wants to encourage folks to use them. If those toll systems were to be used f…

Similarly in New Zealand, the highways agency isn't interested in catching people who are speeding. They certainly help the police with live incidents and co-operate on lots of levels, but they don't keep camera footage forever or feed data streams of toll/traffic-management users to Police. "It's not our business".

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Your argument is similar to the "why are you scared if you've got nothing to hide?" response to the NSA scandal. According to society, we all should be perfect citizens whose outward lives perfectly reflect our inward, private thoughts and actions. But we're not, and evidence to the contrary can be used against us. But, for the sake of argument, let's say you are perfect. You don't exceed the speed limit, you don't h…

This isn't a privacy argument, you already (should) have privacy in the situations where you're not around other people or out in the open. This is about the times when you're out on the street with everybody else. That's when you can't reasonably expect EVERYONE TO LOOK AWAY when you walk into a store, or buy a coffee or throw your trash on the ground. It's those times when you're not private. You know, in public.

These things aren't legally protected because our cultural and instinctive expectations forbid them. Try walking down the street and looking every single person you pass directly in the eye for as long as they're visible. See how they react. Follow them around. Write down everything they're doing. Let us all know what happens.

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Just to clarify, this is not an intentional design feature. Any reciever is necessarily a transmitter due to the physics itself. The UK has been using this for a while to crack down on TV liscences.

With a good isolation amplifier between your antenna and local oscillator, you don't necessarily transmit much on the frequency you're listening to. (If you did, you'd interfere with other listeners.) Where you transmit also depends very much on the design of the radio you're using; it might be obvious to detect that a radio is being operated, but not detect what frequency it is tuned to. And to be very pedantic, eve…

Don't most receivers use a standardized intermediate frequency, though, resulting in leakage that always leads back to the original frequency?

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The moral arguments against it are profound: put simply human liberty and constant mass surveillance are mutually incompatible. There is a deep and rich body of literature, philosophy, research, and direct human experience to back this up. I am truly sorry that you appear to be completely unfamiliar with any of it. If you have a sincere interest in the subject, you can start with the most widely recognized point of r…

1984 is a work of fiction and has no bearable application on the world of today, and furthermore there is no philosophical literature dealing with being monitored while in PUBLIC. This isn't about privacy when you're in a place no one else is, this is about how incredibly naive it is to think when you're in public, no one's allowed to look at you. Do not transform this into a privacy debate, because I'm not saying yo…

"this is about how incredibly naive it is to think when you're in public, no one's allowed to look at you."

That is...not even remotely close to what I, or anyone else on this thread has said. This was about the malign effects relentless surveillance and stalking, not people glancing in your direction as you walk down the street. And you can't possibly be serious when you say "there is no philosophical literature dealing with being monitored while in PUBLIC." That is just so unbelievably wrong.

I realize I shouldn't get upset about stupid online comments, but every now and then you encounter one that is so unfathomably ignorant that your jaw just drops. And you, sir, have left me flabbergasted.

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Speeding cameras and other ways to ticket people automatically are problematic in the US. See, in Europe, the ticket can be given to the owner of the car. The problem is simple: take a picture of the license plate, look up the owner, send ticket. In the US, the law says that the only person that gets the ticket is the driver which != owner in a lot of cases. Because of this, places that have speeding cameras have to…

It depends in Europe. In some countries, e.g. Germany it is like in the US, e.g. you can contest a ticket and say that the driver was a relative from another country. You can also say that you weren't the driver but you don't know who used your car. In this case you typically are forced to keep a drivers log for this vehicle for the future.

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I have to disagree with those who say this isn't news. It was news to me and will, I believe, be news to most others as well. The only time before this that I heard about using EZ pass for anything other than tolls was a few years ago when I read about some feasibility work on the concept of traffic flow optimization being done around Ithaca, NY. I do wonder why they haven't been used yet to track speeding violations…

Speeding cameras and other ways to ticket people automatically are problematic in the US. See, in Europe, the ticket can be given to the owner of the car. The problem is simple: take a picture of the license plate, look up the owner, send ticket. In the US, the law says that the only person that gets the ticket is the driver which != owner in a lot of cases. Because of this, places that have speeding cameras have to…

> See, in Europe, the ticket can be given to the owner of the car.

Europe is a big place. In Sweden, the traffic camera has to catch the driver's face. If you cover your face so you can't be identified, they won't serve you with the ticket. They do exactly as you say - employ a room of people to compare photos to the driver's license database. http://www.svt.se/nyheter/sverige/dolj-ansiktet-slipp-boter

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I think people forget sometimes that 1984 was a work of fiction, and never actually happened. I don't think it's fiction, and I think it had happened before it was written even. There are still bugs of course, but those are being worked out as we speak.

1984 was a work of fiction, that is undebatable. It did not happen. It's not based in reality whatsoever, and there is no indication that anything written in the novel logically carries from anything else written in the novel. Things happen in 1984 because it makes for a good story, not because that's what would happen next.

It's not "undebatable", it'd just be a waste of time to debate it with you, if you have your conclusion prior to examination.

Things happen in 1984 because it makes for a good story

I see you're not familiar with Orwell and his motives for writing at all.

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