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Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
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Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what the official stance here in germany is, but I talked to a member of the Autobahnpolizei (Highway Patrol) and he told me that while they have high powered cars that could follow most cars at high speed they will "give up" when hey feel they pose a danger to other drivers and concentrate on blocking exits etc. . But I have to say I have not seen a police chase in germany my whole life.
I live in Los Angeles, and it happens here all. the. fucking. time. It's a cultural thing, somehow. It a) makes no sense that the criminals are running. They never get away. Were are they going? Bakersfield? And b) A chopper or drone is sufficent 9 times out of 10. Proof- they're televised. From choppers.
The New Yorker had a great article about this some years ago. Unfortunately its behind a paywall, but one thing that I remember is that guys would deliberately provoke a police chase and then call their buddies who were watching the helicopter footage live on cable news. Sometimes young men will do damn near anything to be "heroes".
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
In New Zealand the police adopted a (highly-publicised) policy of not continuing to chase people who drive away at high speed due to the danger it poses to the public, when it is trivial to just go round to their house the next day and arrest them. The consequences of this have been as follows: 1) Now everybody runs when stopped by Police. OK, not everybody , but the rate has probably tripled. 2) After the police giv…
I don't know what the official stance here in germany is, but I talked to a member of the Autobahnpolizei (Highway Patrol) and he told me that while they have high powered cars that could follow most cars at high speed they will "give up" when hey feel they pose a danger to other drivers and concentrate on blocking exits etc. . But I have to say I have not seen a police chase in germany my whole life.
For whatever reason German policing seems to be better in general. Pretty much no high speed chases, no "hail of bullets showdowns" and so forth. Iirc the number of bullets fired by the entire German (Germany=population of 80 million) police in a year was roughly the same as two incidents in LA (and most of those were either warning shots or animal kills).
I think it's a cultural issue and criminals in the US are generally more extreme.
I think the official policy in car chases is follow them enough so they'll give up but public safety is always #1. If in doubt abort.
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I usually don't feel anything when I hear of a innocent person dying on the news, but maybe because he's involved in tech, I too am very angry. Why does the police have to chase anyway? Why can't they just identify the car and silently follow it until it stops. Damn it.
RCMP generally don't chase vehicles here in Canada for this exact reason.
Surely horses are poor at chasing cars?...
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what the official stance here in germany is, but I talked to a member of the Autobahnpolizei (Highway Patrol) and he told me that while they have high powered cars that could follow most cars at high speed they will "give up" when hey feel they pose a danger to other drivers and concentrate on blocking exits etc. . But I have to say I have not seen a police chase in germany my whole life.
For whatever reason German policing seems to be better in general. Pretty much no high speed chases, no "hail of bullets showdowns" and so forth. Iirc the number of bullets fired by the entire German (Germany=population of 80 million) police in a year was roughly the same as two incidents in LA (and most of those were either warning shots or animal kills). I think it's a cultural issue and criminals in the US are gen…
I grew up in North America and now live in Germany, I can tell you what I think it is.
In Germany everyone is required by law to register their address within two weeks of moving. Not registering where you live and accompanying information, etc is illegal. If you move and someone else is now registered where you lived, you are no longer registered. You cannot really do very many things without that piece of paper including getting a SIM card or even renting a car without some difficulty.
So the police identify you and if you do something wrong they can just find you later, it's best if you catch the attention of the police you stop and deal with it. There is a much more relaxed attitude about law enforcement here, it's far more analytical and people generally avoid social disruption for the sake of. Rather than to avoid punishment. So it's social but it's the method of enforcement as well.
This means that the police presence has been cut down substantially, sometimes I can go a month without seeing a police officer.
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't count those - they don't even count the baby that was in the SUV one guy stole and it flew out of the window during the police chase.
Are you seriously blaming the police for the death of that? Surely it is the guy's fault for stealing a car with a child in it and recklessly driving it.
I think he's just suggesting that the baby definitely should count as an innocent bystander.
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The way I read it, gang member Gerardo Diego Ayala was killed by a police officer. Then Victor Sanchez and 2 unidentified subjects fled the scene in a car. It's unclear what "officer involved shooting" means, but that's how I took it...
That is what "officer involved shooting" normally means — a cop shot them.
In the US this means the fleeing are accused of murder, right?
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to the article they killed a police officer and ran, if you don't pursue them how are you going to catch them? Aftersll, they did murder someone, and apparently they had warrants, so it seems reasonable to assume we dont want them out running around anymore as they sre likely to commit more fiolent crimes. Furthermore, if have a policy to not pursue, then every criminal is always going to run. The fault is…
You know, police in EU normally don't chase criminals at high speed and they normally found them easily after the fact (especially if they wound/killed a cop). High speed chases are extremely rare, there is no rational need for them (and the consequent danger for passers by).
There isn't a EU wide police or justice system. It's all done at the national level. Policing standards can vary widely around countries.
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#159After watching police chases on TV my whole life, I really want to know: What's the logical strategy in a police chase? Just keep driving after each other? It risks the lives of hundreds living and walking in the path of the chase all for the sake of punishing 1 or 2 individuals. It just doesn't seem to add up to me. What a shame we lost someone so brilliant for nothing.
That the risk of capture is the greatest deterrent to crime, to start? That the culprits being chased are often highly violent criminals who they don't want disappearing into the social noise? In an urban environment the number of branching permutations is enormous, so they can't simply radio ahead at the outset, and "chasing" is often simply keeping an eye on the target while supporting units move in.
There are several comments throughout this story about how police in [various enlightened areas] no longer do chases. It usually isn't so straightforward, otherwise the world's bank robbers and kidnappers will be on their way over, idling car at the standby.
What most police forces throughout the world have stopped doing is chases for trivial things (where the single most serious crime committed is not stopping for police), which has historically led to everyday people panicking when the police turn on the lights after they roll through a stop sign, etc. Police also try to resort to helicopters sooner, and abandon the chase if it's 2pm in a school zone, etc. However the nature of law enforcement means that chases still happen for serious incidents, and they happen around the world, some questionable accuracy claims in comments notwithstanding.
This is a terrible tragedy and it's unfortunate that this armchair speculation has taken the lead so quickly.
Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After the police give up the chase, a member of the public is almost invariably killed at an intersection within 30s, since the offender is still driving at high speed but there are no longer any lights and sirens to warn the public. i call BS, citation?
My perception was that the comment was correct however with a quick skim I cant produce anything more than anecdata. The police do seem to be consistently breaking their rules which dictate that the chase ends when it gets dangerous. However crashes do seem to be happen after the chase has ended rather too regularly - about 30 seconds later. Citation. Here is an editorial on the poor stats we have. An interesting asi…
>However crashes do seem to be happen after the chase has ended rather too regularly - about 30 seconds later.
I had always assumed this was because it was standard practice to report that they had stopped chasing whenever the crashes occur. That's the rules so that's what you report.