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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

#151

Post by ceejayoz » Mon, May 20, 2013, 7:57 PM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #115

ceejayoz wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have no idea, just things don't work on EC2. A raw EC2 instance is identical to your average VPS offering. You don't have to use all the extra alphabet soup of ELB, SQS, SNS, SES, etc. > When it came time to ping the server... no response. What were your security group settings? ICMP (ping, traceroute, etc.) are blocked by default, you have to enable them.

> A raw EC2 instance is identical to your average VPS offering. See, you say that, but then you later say > What were your security group settings? I dunno, man, I just want a server. Every other VPS provider works, and I can set up my own iptables etc. I'm not saying EC2 is _bad_, as I'm sure things being extra mega locked down by default is good overall. But I don't think it's fair to say that EC2 is the same as a…

The solution to your problem was one Googling for "AWS ping" away, and I've had more significant setup differences between two VPS providers than having to configure the AWS firewall to allow pings.

EC2 fits every definition of VPS I've ever seen.

Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

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Post by zdrummond » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:00 PM UTC

Just my 2 cents... the problems described here seem to fall into the category of "things didn't work 100% of the time".

I have some bad news for you; nothing I have ever used worked 100% of the time. Doubly so on AWS. Just off the top of my head; just in the last week we have seen 5% of AWS instance act so badly that we had to recycle them, and that is just the easy to diagnose problems. Don't get me started on the IOPS marketing BS that Amazon sells.

It's just the reality of a lot of moving parts and complex systems. From the sound of it, the OP had very little _actual_ downtime, and had to make some end-runs a couple times. Shrug, just life in a high-scale world IMHO.

The goal should not be to bounce around providers until you find the Garden of Eden. The real goal should be to accept failure and build to tolerate it. Now maybe it is easier to build fault-tolerance if you are closer to the metal... BUT I would bet that Heroku has much better experience and tooling to detect and resist faults then rolling your own.

Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

#153

Post by steveklabnik » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #151

steveklabnik wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A raw EC2 instance is identical to your average VPS offering. See, you say that, but then you later say > What were your security group settings? I dunno, man, I just want a server. Every other VPS provider works, and I can set up my own iptables etc. I'm not saying EC2 is _bad_, as I'm sure things being extra mega locked down by default is good overall. But I don't think it's fair to say that EC2 is the same as a…

The solution to your problem was one Googling for "AWS ping" away, and I've had more significant setup differences between two VPS providers than having to configure the AWS firewall to allow pings. EC2 fits every definition of VPS I've ever seen.

At that point, I had already been googling for so long that giving up was the best decision. Also, when I said 'ping' I meant 'hit via a web browser' as well as ping on the command line.

Furthermore, I don't feel very comfy when doing 'sysadmin via Google,' who knows what stuff I'm screwing up?

I had never used Digital Ocean before. But getting going with them was the exact same as my previous Linode, Rackspace Cloud, prgmr.com, and every other VPS provider I have tried. I don't need to install special command line tools, or set up security groups, or generate .pems... I ask for a server, they send me an email with a password, I log in, change it, and set up my ssh prefs. Super easy, using the same stuff I use everywhere else.

Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

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Post by juanvallejos » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

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Post by juanvallejos » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

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Post by juanvallejos » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

#158

Post by juanvallejos » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

#159

Post by juanvallejos » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

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Re: Why I left Heroku, and notes on my new AWS setup

#160

Post by juanvallejos » Mon, May 20, 2013, 8:02 PM UTC

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