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Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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.net is free and doesn't come bundled with toolbars and crapware

It's supposed to sell Windows licenses.

True. The point I was trying to make was that Microsoft pays for the development of .net using revenue from other activities. Why can't Oracle do the same?

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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I'd never used Ask, so after reading your post I compares a search for "cuda device to host memory copy" [1] and [2] On google I saw no ads, and the links on the first page of results usually contain the search term. On Ask there are ads, and they look very much like search results - there's no coloured background to identify them as such - and the search results contain irrelevant links to other Ask properties like…

Hi, Good show. I checked your links on Maxthon [my IE without the IE baggage] and on Firefox (default browser with ABP add-on) for comparison. 1. On FF I have ABP installed, but there were no ads on Maxthon either for Ask. Is it due to "search bubble" or something else? Not sure. However, I too use uk.ask.com for my searches like you, so the 'bubble' should be the same for me as well. Hmmmm. 2. I got those two false…

Here's the first screen I see on ask (on a 1050px high monitor): http://imgur.com/MWk9wm2

And here's what I see on Google: http://imgur.com/nalUhES

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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Here we go again, another Java hater for no reason. What should we replace it with? someCrap.js? someOtherCrap.py? You really have no idea what you're talking about. Killing Java would be a ridiculous thing to do. You live in such a bubble.

I work with Java every day. Java and Spring pay my bills at the moment but that doesn't lessen my contempt for the platform. Overly amateurish nature of the community/ecosystem is a huge issue when you are building enterprise level applications (but have no choice really, because it is your company's technology of choice - usually because they are too cheap to pay for decent dev tools). The whole community is full of…

If you think the Java community and ecosystem are amateurish, better not take a closer look at any of the others...

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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post #122

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Hi, Good show. I checked your links on Maxthon [my IE without the IE baggage] and on Firefox (default browser with ABP add-on) for comparison. 1. On FF I have ABP installed, but there were no ads on Maxthon either for Ask. Is it due to "search bubble" or something else? Not sure. However, I too use uk.ask.com for my searches like you, so the 'bubble' should be the same for me as well. Hmmmm. 2. I got those two false…

Here's the first screen I see on ask (on a 1050px high monitor): http://imgur.com/MWk9wm2 And here's what I see on Google: http://imgur.com/nalUhES

Managed to find a suitably large monitor. Here's my landing page for comparison. On Opera with Adblocker installed. I get the same results on Maxthon that has no addons to block ads. Let me know if you want to see Maxthon screen.

Ask: http://i.imgur.com/rX72PDd.png

Google: http://i.imgur.com/Q0BusaH.png

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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post #154

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Here's the first screen I see on ask (on a 1050px high monitor): http://imgur.com/MWk9wm2 And here's what I see on Google: http://imgur.com/nalUhES

Managed to find a suitably large monitor. Here's my landing page for comparison. On Opera with Adblocker installed. I get the same results on Maxthon that has no addons to block ads. Let me know if you want to see Maxthon screen. Ask: http://i.imgur.com/rX72PDd.png Google: http://i.imgur.com/Q0BusaH.png

Interesting. I guess with an ad blocker, Ask isn't so bad.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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post #154

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Managed to find a suitably large monitor. Here's my landing page for comparison. On Opera with Adblocker installed. I get the same results on Maxthon that has no addons to block ads. Let me know if you want to see Maxthon screen. Ask: http://i.imgur.com/rX72PDd.png Google: http://i.imgur.com/Q0BusaH.png

Interesting. I guess with an ad blocker, Ask isn't so bad.

Yes, definitely been an interesting discussion. Thanks :-). Even more surprising for me was Maxthon's ad-free results as well.

FWIW, I'd definitely recommend looking into other alternative search engines like those I mentioned earlier. Usually my opera's speed dial default engine is dogpile [http://www.dogpile.com] that curates Google, Yahoo and Yandex results into one search result on one page. Definitely also worth looking into if you're interested.

I use Bing often, as I love Bing's homepage. Oh! those panoramic pictures. You got to give it to them. They definitely got that UX right. ;-)

Edit: Blekko and DDG are quite fab. And for an old contender, Lycos quite literally, rocks! Try them.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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post #134
post #62

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But does it solve the annoying java updater problem?

If you're talking about those pop-ups users get on new versions our Pro version can turn those off: http://ninite.com/help/features/disableautoupdate.html

That is cool. However paying 20$/month just to turn off the java updater popups is a bit overkill for me :)
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