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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by nickthegreek »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #51
fwip wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

The gamers nexus thing touched on this.. Apparently some ignore that choice and connect to open wifi or something like Comcasts modem hijacking wifi.

they stated it technical could. not that they have evidence of that happening.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #22
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

Companies are amoral. If killing people boosted their share price they would issue every employee a machine gun in a heartbeat. The only reason this doesn't happen is it's illegal.

I tend to agree with this in general, especially lately, but I think there is an Overton window of depravity that businesses won't exceed the bounds of unless the industry norms shift it. I think the drift has a lot (or maybe everything) to do with the regulatory environment.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by VCFundedGenYer »

sethops1 wrote: post #58
dubyah wrote: post #47

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As others have said, cut off access and/or factory reset it. My LG has never been granted net access, firmware upgrades through USB drives, and streaming through Onn 4K box(w/ a 3rd party launcher) and Apple TV. No surprise ads, apps, or anything.

What do you get from upgrading the firmware? I have a 10 yo smart tv that I simply treated as a dumb tv. Works fine.

I have a TCL TV where a recent firmware update actually fixed up some Arc power settings and a few other things. I only connect the TV to update it once every 6 months, and as soon as the update is done, it gets unplugged from the network again.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by VCFundedGenYer »

sixothree wrote: post #116
kelipso wrote: post #26

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Disconnect it from the internet, buy a streaming device, and use the streaming device. It’s really not that complicated. If you want a bit complicated, you can probably unscrew the back panel and remove the wifi card.

Can we really trust it to honor your request to stop using the internet? After hearing them speak on this subject, I have my doubts it will honor your request so quickly and easily.

You can't change the laws of physics.

If it isn't connected to the network, it can't communicate.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by dumberquestions »

vrganj wrote: post #133
ranguna wrote: post #129

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"Giving the keys" doesn't necessarily mean outright cat the private key to Claude. You setup the key, configure SSH config to use it and you can just SSH to the machine without ever seeing the keys. Stop fear mongering unnecessarily.

I wasn't talking about the literal key files, I was talking about the metaphorical keys to the kingdom. No matter how you set it up, you're giving a cloud service the ability to SSH into your private network. Surely you must see the glaring security risk this creates?

How is that any different from calling Claude from any device in your local network? Or is 2 devices that much worse than 1?

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by lambdaone »

dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

"Owning the glass" is a euphemistic way of saying "owning the viewers".

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Post by utopiah »

thenthenthen wrote: post #148
utopiah wrote: post #124

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Well that's the point, you do want information in and out, including the ability to send instructions. Call it "smart" or "connected" or whatever marketing words you prefer, the point is having affordances that give you agency. So yes I insist you do want those, just not in the way it's been currently forced. IMHO you are right to reject this as it is but wrong to reject the possibilities when done right. We are just…

I have a speech recognition standing fan with touch button. Its terrible. The voice is loud, the touch controls dont register very well, give me a dumb thing with physical buttons please!

I'm not advocating for touchless smart devices, I'm advocating for optional interface we can use to operate our appliances without having to rely on the manufacturers app and/or server.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by utopiah »

tavavex wrote: post #149
utopiah wrote: post #124

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Well that's the point, you do want information in and out, including the ability to send instructions. Call it "smart" or "connected" or whatever marketing words you prefer, the point is having affordances that give you agency. So yes I insist you do want those, just not in the way it's been currently forced. IMHO you are right to reject this as it is but wrong to reject the possibilities when done right. We are just…

I think I agree with the parent more. For one, not all "smart" appliances are made equal. You can see the appeal of some of them if there was no customer abuse, like with smart TVs. But things like smart microwaves are a harder sell. In practice, lots of smart devices are made with one purpose - to remove methods of configuring it on-device and instead forcing you into using the manufacturer's app. Many of them offer…

Internet connectivity as a requirement is an instant red flag ... but it doesn't mean we should have appliances we can't control.

This false dichotomy is precisely the problem. I DO want to program my hardware, even ones with actuators, but I do NOT want for this to happen to rely on the infrastructure of the manufacturer if I don't explicit ask for it.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by lambdaone »

nickthegreek wrote: post #151
mapontosevenths wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gamers nexus thing touched on this.. Apparently some ignore that choice and connect to open wifi or something like Comcasts modem hijacking wifi.

they stated it technical could. not that they have evidence of that happening.

Technically, they could do a whole bunch of things, including doing multihop routing via other connected televisions or insecure WiFi networks. There's no evidence that they do this, as far as I know, but also no reason why they couldn't do this in the future if they wanted to.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by PsylentKnight »

MisterTea wrote: post #32

Who's selling dumb TV's again, Samsung? Who else? I'll happily pay a thousand bucks to not get screwed by my TV.

I’m looking for a TV and it seems like dumb ones simply aren’t available anymore

Seems like the only options are:

1. Buy a smart TV and not connect it to the internet and/or physically neuter it by unplugging the Wifi/Bluetooth module. I wish there was more info about this out there as I assume there are some models that don’t allow this

2. Buy a projector. I’ve been using a cheap $80 projector for a few years due to space constraints in the apartment I was living in. Now that I’m in a larger apartment, I wanted to buy a TV. But all this has me wondering whether I should just buy a better projector

It does have the “drawback” that it can only be used after sunset (assuming you don’t have a basement or blackout curtains or something). But I find that this provides a natural hard cap to the screen time that everyone is trying so hard to cut back on

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