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Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by scythe »

wolvoleo wrote: post #77
scythe wrote: post #60

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Renewable energy is expanding faster than ever. And it's hard for people to look at that and think we're moving too slowly. But we still are. That's the basic cultural disconnect. When nuclear power became a thing in the seventies, there was massive planning around a presumed nuclear-powered future. The largest energy storage facilities in the US were all built around that time. This turned out to be a mirage as the…

Nuclear has a lot of environmental impact too. You need to mine a lot of earth to get a little uranium, and a lot of that activity is very polluting and a lot of that activity is not climate neutral. Then you have the waste problem that's not figured out, proliferation etc. We can't go cherrypicking environmental problems. That way we roll from one crisis into the next. There's so many issues we're causing, like enti…

I think you missed the point of the nuclear tangent. The point was that people might be reluctant to build out energy storage capacity before demand appears because of what happened last time. The difference is that climate change is more predictable than the economy.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by iLemming »

Aurornis wrote: post #149
iLemming wrote: post #143

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American gas is not cheap. In absolute-numbers-sense, it's comparable to the current prices in Russia. And by all means and for all the different reasons, one would expect gasoline to be enormously expensive there right now. Far more expensive than in the States. It doesn't seem to be the case.

> American gas is not cheap. Yes it is. I don’t know why you picked Russia to compare to. Russia’s government heavily intervenes in markets to keep prices low, including subsidizing refineries and banning exports at times. The fact that our prices are as low as theirs means our gas is cheap.

I feel like you have not watched any videos of what's going on there right now. People lining up to buy any gas, and those lines are miles long, sometimes they have to wait for 8-10 hours. The crisis now causing shortages in neighboring countries - Central Asian republics and Mongolia. Average gas prices jumped considerably - 8-10x, and you'd think, well, how expensive the gas then? And it's about $4 per gallon. So, just like I said - the "cheap" American gas is comparable to the most expensive gas in modern history of Russia. Of course, there's purchasing power parity and other factors, that's why I said "in absolute-numbers-sense".

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by jazzpush2 »

iLemming wrote: post #147
vachina wrote: post #139

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lol. What a first world problem to have. Sounds like a very solvable problem too (remove the pool then)

Thank you captain. I'm sure this would greatly reduce the climate change effects. Doing it posthaste - the world needs saving.

To be fair, you were the one complaining about water costs as if it was a climate-related issue, when it's... your pool.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by agentultra »

SoftTalker wrote: post #23
estearum wrote: post #14

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You can vote

Yes you can but you'll have to vote against your immediate self interest and comfort. The sort of changes that will have an impact on the climate will mean giving up a lot of what makes modern life convenient and comfortable.

Not that much of a difference for the average or lower classes of people that outnumber the rich by quite a lot. It would have a great and positive impact for them.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by iLemming »

Aurornis wrote: post #146
iLemming wrote: post #6

We're getting cooked. I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills - AC's running non-stop. That's crazy, because I live in the area where you can't even walk to buy a piece of bread - we drive all the time. I fully expect for businesses very soon to operate at night. Costco, Walmart, groceries, even libraries will be working all night in places like Ariz…

> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills Comparing ratios of bills is confusing. This statement would be unsurprising if you drove 10 miles per week in a Prius. It would be very confusing if you were filling up your tank every week and spending $1000/month on a water bill.

I can explain. I work from home - no commute. Yes, I don't have to drive as much as the average person has to in my area. This summer has been extremely hot, hotter than any previous - seems that's becoming a new normal. Past couple of weeks the heat remained in the 90s, even around midnight. Water district installed big banners with warnings "draught stages in effect", there's a penalty for irrigating at certain hours - it gets added to the bill. These banners getting erected for the past three years. Yes, water here is expensive.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by iLemming »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #153
iLemming wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you captain. I'm sure this would greatly reduce the climate change effects. Doing it posthaste - the world needs saving.

To be fair, you were the one complaining about water costs as if it was a climate-related issue, when it's... your pool.

Haha. I guess you imagined "Deep Dive Dubai" or something? My pool is basically an oversized bathtub. We would've called it exactly that if it was installed inside the house.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by SoftTalker »

agentultra wrote: post #154
SoftTalker wrote: post #23

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Yes you can but you'll have to vote against your immediate self interest and comfort. The sort of changes that will have an impact on the climate will mean giving up a lot of what makes modern life convenient and comfortable.

Not that much of a difference for the average or lower classes of people that outnumber the rich by quite a lot. It would have a great and positive impact for them.

No, the rich will be able to pay the carbon taxes easily, the average folks will suffer under them.

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Post by dylan604 »

macintux wrote: post #144
dylan604 wrote: post #122

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The rest of the world would have to accept a Trump and Musk leadership. That seems like a really big ask

China accepts a dictator. Russia accepts a dictator. India accepts a nationalist demagogue.

Are they led by Trump and Musk though? You've misinterpreted the meaning of the question. I didn't ask what countries would accept being led by a national demagogue. Also, would other countries accept being led by the leader of the countries you listed?

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by Aurornis »

iLemming wrote: post #152
Aurornis wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> American gas is not cheap. Yes it is. I don’t know why you picked Russia to compare to. Russia’s government heavily intervenes in markets to keep prices low, including subsidizing refineries and banning exports at times. The fact that our prices are as low as theirs means our gas is cheap.

I feel like you have not watched any videos of what's going on there right now. People lining up to buy any gas, and those lines are miles long, sometimes they have to wait for 8-10 hours. The crisis now causing shortages in neighboring countries - Central Asian republics and Mongolia. Average gas prices jumped considerably - 8-10x, and you'd think, well, how expensive the gas then? And it's about $4 per gallon. So,…

> and you'd think, well, how expensive the gas then? And it's about $4 per gallon. So, just like I said - the "cheap" American gas is comparable to the most expensive gas in modern history of Russia.

You have completely missed the point. The gas is cheap due to the government forcing it to be.

If the prices were set by the free market, it would not be $4 per gallon with shortages causing lines to stretch 10 hours long.

Russia also has 1/3 the median household income of the US. So in parity adjusted dollars they’re paying something closer to 3X as much as you for gas. Not the same amount.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by Aurornis »

iLemming wrote: post #155
Aurornis wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills Comparing ratios of bills is confusing. This statement would be unsurprising if you drove 10 miles per week in a Prius. It would be very confusing if you were filling up your tank every week and spending $1000/month on a water bill.

I can explain. I work from home - no commute. Yes, I don't have to drive as much as the average person has to in my area. This summer has been extremely hot, hotter than any previous - seems that's becoming a new normal. Past couple of weeks the heat remained in the 90s, even around midnight. Water district installed big banners with warnings "draught stages in effect", there's a penalty for irrigating at certain hou…

> I work from home - no commute.

Don’t you think this was important information to include in your post? Your whole point was built on spending more on water than gas, but then we had to read the comments to discover that you don’t commute and you have water-hungry situations like a pool and HOA mandated landscaping?

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