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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by Phemist »

nelsonic wrote: post #41

Sick. Particularly stoked for the 10gb network card ($100 option) when using the Mac Mini as a server. Just wish the memory + NVMe prices could come back down to pre ai-goldrush prices. As $2999 for the M5 Pro with 64GB RAM feels painfully over-priced.

RAM and SSD in apple gear has always been way over-priced. There was a short blessed period in March where the M5 Max macbook pro was out, but the general 30% price hike had not yet happened. In this period, given the insane inflated RAM prices, the price apple was charging for the M5 Max with 128 GB RAM was actually _reasonable_.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by brookst »

dannyw wrote: post #88
recursivedoubts wrote: post #34

Even w/the pricing spike, inflation adjusted we are back to roughly the prices of a new Mac SE/30 for something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating. I yield the floor to no one when it comes to pessimism, but that's incredible.

The DRAM market is cyclical. I don’t think anyone truly knows when, but it will happen. Fab capacity is being bought online; there’s just lead time. Noticeably greater intelligence is being achieved at the same number of parameters (see: Qwen3.8). I think the future will be bright, it might be a matter of time. And for tinkers, a used Epyc + DDR4 server can be great fun and epic value.

100%. We're probably on the cusp of over-capacity, a glut, cheap RAM, bankruptcies, and shortages.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by cedws »

bubblegumcrisis wrote: post #112
recursivedoubts wrote: post #34

Even w/the pricing spike, inflation adjusted we are back to roughly the prices of a new Mac SE/30 for something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating. I yield the floor to no one when it comes to pessimism, but that's incredible.

Sigh.. Is there anything better now though? All I see from AI, is an amplification of the enshittification of the internet. And people being even more alone.

Just like the computer revolution, it will make a small number of people richer and put everyone else at their mercy. In real terms the average person is far poorer than in the 20th century. Used to be able to buy a home and support a family on a single income. Now it can take two just to survive.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by mdp2021 »

jgalt212 wrote: post #73
recursivedoubts wrote: post #34

Even w/the pricing spike, inflation adjusted we are back to roughly the prices of a new Mac SE/30 for something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating. I yield the floor to no one when it comes to pessimism, but that's incredible.

when was the turing test beaten?

The Turing test is more complex than what gets suggested.

And the "popularized" version is faulty also since it uses an ideal, abstract human judge (like the "spheroidal economic agent").

But if you want to add declinations to the said popularized image of the Turing test, you may add Maxim Lott's IQ tests at trackingai.org . Between the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025 LLMs reached an equivalent IQ of 100, for example.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by AbsurdCensor »

paxys wrote: post #114
intrasight wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is downpayment on a house. I would buy the house and just pay for tokens as needed. The house will get more valuable and that wealth would buy a lot of tokens in the future - which will probably get cheaper. EDIT: or buy AAPL. If I had bought Apple stock instead of buying a Mac LC II in 1992, then I would have about $2 million in Apple stock.

Or more simply – $25K (+ tax) put in a savings account will earn about enough interest to pay for a $100/month AI subscription indefinitely. And at the end of it you still have the $25K.

Not 'more simply', there are basically zero savings accounts that are going to net you a 5%+ interest rate to give you that $100 a month. And that $25k becomes less valuable over time. $25k is now only worth $19k because inflation.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by snozolli »

runjake wrote: post #125
bubblegumcrisis wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh.. Is there anything better now though? All I see from AI, is an amplification of the enshittification of the internet. And people being even more alone.

Then you’re either spending time in the wrong parts of the internet or doing things that don't fulfill you. These times are exciting and rough seas make good sailors. Find your path forward.

False dichotomies make for terrible conversation.

"Find your path forward!" he shouted with glee, as he ran toward the cliff.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by kilroy123 »

bubblegumcrisis wrote: post #112
recursivedoubts wrote: post #34

Even w/the pricing spike, inflation adjusted we are back to roughly the prices of a new Mac SE/30 for something that can beat a turing test w/o sweating. I yield the floor to no one when it comes to pessimism, but that's incredible.

Sigh.. Is there anything better now though? All I see from AI, is an amplification of the enshittification of the internet. And people being even more alone.

Well, there is more renewable energy than ever before powering the world. It's all being built and added to the grid faster and faster each year.

That's one big plus.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by al_borland »

paxys wrote: post #84
stuff4ben wrote: post #81

M5 Pro in a Mac Mini with 64GB RAM and 10Gbit Ethernet seems like the perfect Jellyfin server and Ollama test server. All for just over $3K (I specced with only 1TB local nvme).

Probably worth it for Ollama but you can run Jellyfin off a raspberry pi.

> you can run Jellyfin off a raspberry pi.

This may depend on the size of your library. I tried installing Jellyfin on a Synology NAS, which runs Plex just fine, and it ran so poorly it was basically unusable. It “worked”, but it was painful.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by rrgok »

xiphias2 wrote: post #97

Apple still has the best hardware so I moved to it for the last few years, but the closed software ecosystem is terrible for taking advantage of it. I wasn't able to debug network errors (restartin my Mac worked), Metal was missing low level disassembly / debugging tools (there is some hard to use UI), but the worst thing was the inflexible windowing system. Even getting all the window handles on all screens/desktops…

On what hardware you running Omarchy?
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