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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by iamjameshall »

zikduruqe wrote: post #142
dcminter wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do this you immediately get thousands of emails a day from bots trying common first names etc. Much better to maintain an explicit list of names you're currently allowing.

This past weekend, I finally have purchased my own domain and was contemplating using it for email. I had thought about a catch all, but was worried about bots. What is the best option? Do you create addresses such as: eyeball@customdomain.com (for the eye doctor) tooth@customdomain.com (for the dentist) bank@customdomain.com realfirstname@ reddit@ ... ... I would like the ability that if I am in a situation that som…

I use Migadu to host my email, and they have a really cool wildcard-style system where I can basically define a regex string, and any email address matching that string goes to my main email. In my case, I use a specific set of numbers just before the @ as the matching string (let’s say, “45”), so email to firstname45@domain works, or doctor45@domain, or library45@domain all get delivered. Since the spammers don’t know this, I don’t get any spam. But I still have the benefit of being able to make up arbitrary emails on the spot for any purpose.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by kolinko »

serbuvlad wrote: post #104
cube00 wrote: post #99

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> - similarly, if a vendor leaks or sells my data and I start receiving marketing from somewhere I don't expect it's easier to trace the source of the leak (and in some cases just blackhole that entire email address) This is exactly why I do it, it's eye opening to see exactly which companies leaked your address. As a result of being able to blackhole the leaked addresses I no longer get any spam, the Dvorak dream. I…

I find this very interesting in 2026. I use my gmail address for everything and I don't really get spam (except from services I've subscribed to legitimately but haven't bothered to configure to not send promotional mail). I never really get promotional mail from 3rd parties at all. Is this just gmail filters being very good?

Gmail filters are very good, dod you check your spam folder?

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by windowliker »

serbuvlad wrote: post #104
cube00 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - similarly, if a vendor leaks or sells my data and I start receiving marketing from somewhere I don't expect it's easier to trace the source of the leak (and in some cases just blackhole that entire email address) This is exactly why I do it, it's eye opening to see exactly which companies leaked your address. As a result of being able to blackhole the leaked addresses I no longer get any spam, the Dvorak dream. I…

I find this very interesting in 2026. I use my gmail address for everything and I don't really get spam (except from services I've subscribed to legitimately but haven't bothered to configure to not send promotional mail). I never really get promotional mail from 3rd parties at all. Is this just gmail filters being very good?

Gmail filters are very good. But if someone with the same name as you starts using your e-mail address for everything because they don't understand or care about needing to see the e-mails they receive then there's very little you can do to stop it other than unsubbing from lists they sign up for (where possible).

I've been getting someone else's e-mail traffic for about 5 years now, on two separate Gmail accounts, and while occasionally hilarious, it is somewhat scary to see how much I can know about their lives from the type of e-mails they get. I have replied to inform some of the senders about the situation with the suggestion that they could tell the other person involved to use a new e-mail address, but it is still happening. You'd think that they would need to see some of the important work-related mail they receive yet they are apparently utterly oblivious.

I occasionally also get similar mail to my own domain through a catch-all filter.

It's quite funny how little some people understand about what an e-mail address is, or how it's supposed to be used, even today.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by zikduruqe »

iamjameshall wrote: post #151
zikduruqe wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This past weekend, I finally have purchased my own domain and was contemplating using it for email. I had thought about a catch all, but was worried about bots. What is the best option? Do you create addresses such as: eyeball@customdomain.com (for the eye doctor) tooth@customdomain.com (for the dentist) bank@customdomain.com realfirstname@ reddit@ ... ... I would like the ability that if I am in a situation that som…

I use Migadu to host my email, and they have a really cool wildcard-style system where I can basically define a regex string, and any email address matching that string goes to my main email. In my case, I use a specific set of numbers just before the @ as the matching string (let’s say, “45”), so email to firstname45@domain works, or doctor45@domain, or library45@domain all get delivered. Since the spammers don’t kn…

Outstanding. That's a super idea.

Migadu has been on my radar also, and at $19/yr it is worth giving it a try.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by cube00 »

windowliker wrote: post #154
serbuvlad wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this very interesting in 2026. I use my gmail address for everything and I don't really get spam (except from services I've subscribed to legitimately but haven't bothered to configure to not send promotional mail). I never really get promotional mail from 3rd parties at all. Is this just gmail filters being very good?

Gmail filters are very good. But if someone with the same name as you starts using your e-mail address for everything because they don't understand or care about needing to see the e-mails they receive then there's very little you can do to stop it other than unsubbing from lists they sign up for (where possible). I've been getting someone else's e-mail traffic for about 5 years now, on two separate Gmail accounts, a…

> very little you can do to stop it other than unsubbing from lists they sign up for (where possible)

It certainly felt that way when someone was giving my GMail out to the cashier at the hardware store where I got no end of digital receipts which I couldn't unsubscribe from because they're providing the email address to the cashier each time. As they were receipts from a large verified brand Google treated them with the highest priority.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by degamad »

dcminter wrote: post #118
setopt wrote: post #113

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So any mail to anyrandomstring@yourdomain.com is actually received? Sounds like something that works great when only you do it, but might quickly be abused if it catches on?

If you do this you immediately get thousands of emails a day from bots trying common first names etc. Much better to maintain an explicit list of names you're currently allowing.

Surprisingly not. I have catch-all emails on several of my domains, and rarely get common name spam. I've blacklisted less than a dozen names on my domains in over 20 years.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by degamad »

kstrauser wrote: post #96
pjerem wrote: post #95

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Since Apple specifically disallows using other web engines on the App Store, I have bad news for you : Firefox on the App Store is just a reskinned safari and as such, a lot of features cannot be implemented because they depend on the web rendering engine.

That would be news to me if it wasn’t what I already said, that iOS Firefox isn’t the same as Android Firefox.

It sounds like their point is that it's not Firefox at all, inasmuch as you can't use the most popular Firefox extensions.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by drdexebtjl »

fodkodrasz wrote: post #144
drdexebtjl wrote: post #74

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Hide My Email addresses are not just a random string at icloud.com. They use plausibly-human names, probably generated by a language model. There’s no easy-to-check pattern. They’re not switching the subdomain. They’re keeping it the same. That’s the news. They’re switching the subdomain for the “Sign in with Apple” sign ups, which is not the same service.

> Hide My Email addresses are not just a random string at icloud.com. They use plausibly-human names, probably generated by a language model. why would random selection from sets of predefined strings and joining them using a "." need any LLM involvement? Oh you need to check if it already taken... maybe for that? I'd use a database though... These days some people would even generate GUIDs with some language model,…

It’s probably not an LLM, nor a small transformer-based model, but it is a language model. Probably the kind that powered auto-correct before GPT.

The generated words agree in grammatical gender and plural forms, so by definition it’s a language model.

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