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How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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I had a similar experience when I tried to search through reviews on amazon on the mobile website. The search box is gone and you're supposed to ask Rufus now.

> you're supposed to ask Rufus now completely off-topic but the names they give these dumb ai tools is so cringe

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Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in… Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

> Companies forcing features that nobody wants

Literally every day that I browse HN I hear people complain about others' use of LLMs. How can you say "nobody wants" when it's used so much to elicit endless complaints?

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Again, it's also helpful for warning realtime issues like poor traffic conditions, road obstacles, speed traps, etc.

I don't know why people don't seem to understand what I mean when I say "I don't want any kind of lit-up screen in my field of view for any reason". Why would I care about speed traps or road obstacles? "Poor traffic conditions" isn't really something I can do much about, either.

The response is to “it didn't occur to me that people might not remember how to get places in real life”, which is a rather limited understanding of why people might use navigation. I am not here to preach to you the benefits of this technology, simply clarifying an additional use case. There’s no need to conflate your own needs or tastes with the rest of the driving populace, either.

Also, those notifications can likely be conveyed using audio-only warnings, anyway. Making all of this discussion a bit moot.

Finally the entire benefit of live navigation is to find alternate routes with less traffic! That is something you could literally do about.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in… Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

I really do wonder if the market is being irrational or if we just cannot see what they are I suspect that many people dislike AI but are begrudgingly using it. I would put money very few people are completely avoiding it. It's very hard to avoid now anyways. Maybe the AI company strategy is really just "make it so invasive in life it's so difficult to avoid and expensive enough to revert that companies and governmen…

> I suspect that many people dislike AI but are begrudgingly using it.

(Sadly,) many normal folks use ChatGPT in lieu of Google search. I'm continually surprised to, over and over, hear from personal friends that they planned their vacation using ChatGPT.

They were not begrudgingly using it.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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This whole "nobody wants" narrative is getting tiresome. It is provably false, and is just a rhetorical tool.

Prove that they do want them, then. If I personally wanted to use generative AI, I’d query an agent app on my computer or load ChatGPT in a browser. I wouldn’t want my email client proactively spewing random words into the text area on its own. And I certainly don’t want every bit of information on my screen continuously streamed to a corporate cloud server so that I can ultimately be profiled and surveilled.

> Prove that they do want them, then.

Look at OpenAI revenue just over a year ago. Most of that was not for LLM coding.

Loads of non-technical people I know are paid subscribers $20/mo to ChatGPT (not API, but their actual chat product).

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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I don't want to Godwin this thread so early, but you know what analogy I'm thinking of. If you work as a developer for Google, Microsoft, Flock, CloudFlare, Facebook etc. etc. you are complicit in making the world a crappier place. Did J. Random Hacker at Google decide to ruin Android app development[1] for everyone? No, but he made it happen. I hate that guy. (Also.) [1] Edit: I'm referring to this nonsense: https:/…

You choose to have that perspective and be subject to that locus of control. Where do you really draw the line? How do you feel about money? How do you feel about eating to stay alive? Ultimately, this is not a philosophy debate. If you're confused about what work is, that's your own problem. The business is still to blame.

I'm not saying it isn't, but I don't have a shred of sympathy for the developers manning the ovens. Pick a job that isn't actively harmful to society.

If you're responsible for the system at Facebook that serves endless brainrot to people, starvation is too good for you.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Because the traffic isn't known to you but it is to Google. I could take two routes, one is faster depending on circumstances, and Google knows those circumstances.

Is it really faster though? All you have now is two routes with a roughly equal amount of traffic on. One of those routes will be a massive detour.

How do you know those routes have a roughly equal amounts of traffic? Or that there’s only two routes? I usually see at least three possible routes with my commute (with some forking), and at least one shortcut. During heavy traffic one optimized route can at least save 10-15 minutes than the slower one(s).

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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I start my music and navigation route before leaving my garage, and any other interactions (volume up/down, skip song) are buttons on my steering wheel. What do I need voice input for? (I use Android Auto, but it's basically the same thing for these purposes)

Do people really use navigation apps often enough for this to be an issue?

Yes, of course. In my case Waze to get there efficiently, OSMand App for topographic maps, and occasionally Apple Maps (works well with addresses in Calendar) and Sygic. I use them in the car, and on my bike: ruggedised CarPlay / Android Auto screens are rapidly displacing ruggedised satnavs on bikes. Playing audiobooks and podcasts is handy, as is getting text messages read out with dictation for reply, but it's navigation which is the killer app for ACP/AA.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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> you're supposed to ask Rufus now completely off-topic but the names they give these dumb ai tools is so cringe

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(English doesn’t work like that people use cringe as an adjective therefore it is one, it’s an extremely flexible language.)

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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(English doesn’t work like that people use cringe as an adjective therefore it is one, it’s an extremely flexible language.)

(Flexible also allows for criticism of extant usages.)
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