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The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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>Prosecuting the employers who break the law by hiring undocumented workers. Don't employers already have to check for authorization to work?

That's the breaking the law part.

Source? I've heard of companies hiring undocumented workers, but that's not the same as knowingly hiring them, or failing to do checks. For instance, the workers could have used stolen/forged SSNs.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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It surprises me how much Americans don't understand how deeply the cartel is in every transaction. Yes, sending money to Grandma to pay for a car is funding the cartel who probably got paid to make the car available. Grandma may even pay small direct bribes to the cartel just to be able to live her life. Either all of Mexico can move to the US (probably not a winning solution) or we can make Mexico a safe and excelle…

>Either all of Mexico can move to the US (probably not a winning solution) Indeed, it is not. But not for lack of trying. The biggest migration in history is the 10% of Mexico that has moved to the US since 1970. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1trqnn8/he... > As of 2024, 11 million Mexican-born people live in the US. https://ourworldindata.org/where-do-migrants-live-and-where-... >

Fron what I can tell, immigration levels right now are about the same as they were in the late 19th century, when a lot of our great grandparents first came to the US.

At that time, the scare was about the Chinese, as opposed to brown people from South of the border.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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My question is , why don't these people have bank accounts?

> With the changes, people became reluctant to make these transactions, Ornelas said, because they worry it will open them up for government surveillance or targeting by immigration authorities in the current intensified enforcement.

Presumably, because it's hard to get a bank account in a country you aren't supposed to be in.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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Money laundering is an absurd concept. People should be free to transfer money to whoever they like, without permission. It is a fundamental purpose of money. To deny this purpose puts the validity of particular money into question. Putting up fences results in a very high rate of false positives. No wonder people use crypto as they should. If you want to go after cartels, then actually go after cartels. That's not w…

> Money laundering is an absurd concept. People should be free to transfer money to whoever they like, without permission. They got Al Capone for tax evasion, not any of the other obviously illegal stuff he was doing. I don't know the details, but I imagine it was because he put in effort to create an organization that made it difficult-to-impossible for the law-abiding feds to go after him directly. That's why it's…

> come up with an effective alternative

I already did, and noted it in my parent comment if you actually read it. The alternative is crypto. It works. To use your own words back at you, no one who needs to transmit money freely will care about your silly objections, because they're unreasonable.

If money laundering is not absurd, then electricity laundering for the purpose of a crime must similarly not be absurd. Everyone must be required to provide documentation of their electricity usage and spikes. After all it could be used to conduct a crime, and we can lower crime by having laws against electricity laundering. /s

In truth, many little brains that I am interacting with here seem to be having trouble with letting abstractions be abstractions. A society can be at rest only when it doesn't have to think twice about its abstractions, otherwise it will never know peace. The same people also can't rewind to see how foolish the war on drugs is in the first place.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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I mean it makes sense. Let them come and work illegally, which is much cheaper and enables proper exploitation and then blame them for all kind of things and frame them as the bad guys that exploit the society.

I see lots of finger pointing at the workers without permits, but zero, and I mean really ZERO finger pointing at their employers. So basically it's totally fine and dandy to exploit poor people, but a crime to be poor people. All the rest is technicalities. In Europe it's the other way around: the businesses employing folks with no right to work get fined to death, with no direct repercussions on the workers (except…

Oh, there is such a rich history of exploiting the underprivileged in the US. The more interesting bits lately center around a special visa for agricultural migrant workers, called the H2-A, which offers some basic worker protections (a minimum wage indexed to inflation, freedom to leave the farm, etc) so the employers can continue to pay low wages for long hours, keeping food prices low and profits high.

Except the farm businesses complained, and the Trump Department of Labor rolled back a bunch of the protections. For example, apparently a sticking point was the requirement that vehicles transporting visa holders have seatbelts for all occupants, so that was eliminated. Another was the requirement that workers be allowed to have guests visit them on employer-provided housing; an often-cited example is worship services provided by a priest. Also rolled back, too onerous.

This is all being stressed at historically high levels as immigration crackdowns continue. Essentially, food production in border states is increasingly forced to go through this visa program that has terrible oversight and protections that I consider below-par. It's not a sexy issue to yell about with a megaphone though.

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He's also making it difficult/impossible for people without work visas to obtain auto loans which is destroying the used car market in latino communities and cities with large latino populations. Executive Order 14406 defends this with, > Low-dollar cross-border funds transfers have been used to facilitate or commit terrorist financing, narcotics trafficking, human trafficking, and other illegal activity. They're ban…

Why don't they have work visas?

Visas are capped and farmers don't want to pay for pesky safety things like seatbelts in the transportation vans.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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I forget where I read this but I agree that if you want to know the real reason for a government policy, look at the effect is has. It's pretty obvious what they're doing.

This is just the classic "we're going to crack down, but even harder!".

It's just the behavior of people who have no new ideas for how to solve a problem.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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Well of course they should be. You have been brainwashed so much that you can't even conceive of a different world. For taxes, I favor land value tax. Basic necessities can absolutely be free under it, as the super rich hold plenty of land. We can have a world without much pollution if we switch away from fossil fuels, and if we take the lifecycle of chemicals into account. Note that excesss carbon dioxide is polluti…

> Well of course they should be. You have been brainwashed so much that you can't even conceive of a different world. Assuming you are talking about free basic necessities: I can conceive it fine, I just also understand that conceiving doesn't mean it will work, and history has shown it won't. Me making the statement was itself conception no? I can conceive of a million different economic systems, but I also understa…

Everything I noted is entirely feasible. It is not pie in the sky. In fact, history has shown that it works. The risk is more pronounced with inaction than with action. If you have a decent imagination and a fuller appreciation for history, you would see it.

Re: The US tried to stop cartel money-laundering; devastated mom-and-pop businesses

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We have similar problems in the UK. Lots of extra paperwork for small businesses and individuals, very little impact on big crime that was supposed to be the target. Just opening a bank account can be a pain, and more so if you are living abroad (whether a citizen or not).
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