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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by iamnothere »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #128
Gigachad wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we even consider jailing parents before banning social media from kids and jailing Mark Zuckerberg for pushing it on them? The power imbalance between individual parents and big tech is immense. How can we be mad at random parents for not defeating the most powerful and rich people in history?

Because according to HN there's no way to force social media companies to not serve children without destroying privacy. That leaves parents who aren't changing their behavior because nothing has incited them to change. Legal liabily is an incentive that changes behavior.

Maybe not everyone agrees that social media causes literal cancer. I mean it’s not great, but it’s not the worst thing on earth, either. It’s clearly become a moral panic at this point.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by anigbrowl »

esseph wrote: post #85
anigbrowl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech people keep ignoring the fact that many people a) find the parental controls too hard to use and b) have no confidence that their kids won't find a way to circumvent them. If parents felt in control of technology they wouldn't be calling on governments to regulate it in the first place. I know a lot of tech people like to assume that government wants to control everything and these parents are fake front groups…

> I know a lot of tech people like to assume that government wants to control everything and these parents are fake front groups established to manufacture consent, but this is infowars-type conspiracy thinking You may not be aware of this, but Meta has been actively spending millions of dollars to redirect the rage against their algorithms and addictive harms, especially against children, and one of their strategies…

I'm very aware of that. As I said in another comment, 'ID checks to exclude minors' is a simple and intuitive idea that's very easy to sell; qualities that are singularly lacking in alternative proposals.

How should online services be regulated to mitigate algorithmic harms? To get something over the line politically, it needs to be simple enough that it can be articulated in a few sentences.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by 6r17 »

Fight this shit off. We do not need this. Digital Privacy has tools coming up - we are all loosing on this because of a few monkeys I wish some people had to courage to deal with. I'm honestly exhausted by this shit. Let all of it rot.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by josh_p »

SubmarineClub wrote: post #146
josh_p wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the other commenter who replied to you. I don’t think this comes from actual parents. And the article suggests this latest push is from right-leaning groups whose goals are surveillance and censorship. That said, I’m a father of 3. I’m a millennial and tech worker. I have the digital literacy to teach my kids about the internet and its horrors in a safe way. Not every parent does, so passing this off as…

> I don’t think this comes from actual parents. Why would you think that? Most of my friends are parents now and all of them are quite concerned about the effect of social media, phones, and technology more broadly. Basically all of them are planning to delay exposing their kids to phones and screens for as long as possible.

I am also a concerned parent. And I acknowledged that I have the time and priledge to parent my kids through this.

The sentiment of "keep my kids safe on the internet" definitely comes from parents. Yes. We agree.

How we actually get there in a privacy-respecting way is the issue.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by txrx0000 »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #34

Like it or not, there is a large constituency who wants to “protect the children”. By demonizing them and failing to engage with the worries over social media and pornography We have brought it on ourselves. Is it to be wondered at that many people are angry when tech companies have polluted the commons with their effluvium?

Big tech companies aside, the broader tech community did not fail to engage on the digital parenting problem. We could've solved this problem long ago before anyone even noticed it, but we're actively being blocked from doing so by the exact same people pushing for mass surveillance. See detailed explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49118578

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by 6r17 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #3

> These NGOs have converged upon a unified strategy: use the rhetoric of ‘child safety’ to advocate for digital ID laws that would prevent adults from using the internet anonymously. Of course. Anyone who brings up kids is trying to manipulate you into giving up your freedom for security. Whatever argument they make should be simply ignored and dismissed.

The worse is - we say it's about child safety - but that same rhetoric is actually defending kids to have a smartphone.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by ColdStream »

mrmckizzle wrote: post #130

It never came, it has always been here.

Someone I used to associate with was always really switched on with these things. Many things he said in the past that sounded a bit extreme or conspiratorial, turned out to be the real deal years later. Always interesting in retrospect.

The one thing he always said is, they have always been watching and know who is who, what these things do is allow it to be entered into the court of law. Now they can act on these things.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by walrus01 »

matchbok3 wrote: post #144
walrus01 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that the size of investment firms that own something like, a good sized chunk of midtown Manhattan class A and B commercial real estate aren't capable of deploying social and tradtional-media influence tools to push an agenda to repopulate their office space? That would be a very inaccurate assessment of how large and motivated they are.

If you are willing to believe a nonsense conspiracy like that then there is no way we could have a productive conversation.

You actually don't think that the world's largest REITs hire lobbyists at the municipal, state and federal levels? That's an extremely naive and uninformed position.
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