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Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by troupo »

nradov wrote: post #94
sscaryterry wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most? This kinda affirms my point. Where healthcare is free at point of use, the problem is non-existent.

Where healthcare is free at point of use, many of the advanced cancer treatments aren't available at all. This is one of the reasons why the USA is at or near the top in survival rates for most types of cancer.

Unless you're one of the 15+ million who are disenrolled from Medicaid. Or you're one of the 8.1% uninsured in states who didn't expand ACA: https://academic.oup.com/healthaffairsscholar/article/2/1/qx...

But sure, the poor should just stop being poor.

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by Markoff »

rmason wrote: post #13

I spent some time in Poland three years ago and have not stopped talking about it ever since. It stood out from the other Eastern European countries that I visited on that trip. Had a lunch in Warsaw with a German friend who had relocated there. He said it was more Conservative than Germany and there was more freedom of expression. Over forty years of Communist rule and they were never able to pull them away from the…

> It stood out from the other Eastern European countries that I visited on that trip.

Just note for the other readers, don't call people in Poland, Czechia, Slovakia or Hungary Eastern Europeans unless you want to irritate them and look like pretentious tourist.

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by stephenitis »

toasty228 wrote: post #81
nozzlegear wrote: post #51

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What constitutes a top of the line house in Eastern Europe? It's unlikely to be what Mississippians consider top of the line.

250sqm, 30cm thick brick for load bearing + perimeter walls, 30cm rockwool continuous external insulation, aluminium frame triple pane windows, glazured roof tiles, floor heating + wood stove backup, 15kwp solar panels installation, deep well backup, etc. Keep being smug, it just proves my point, Americans still think Arabs live in tents in the desert, Chinese live in the jungle and eastern European build houses out…

How much did it cost?

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by [deleted] »

wat10000 wrote: post #40
rwmj wrote: post #32

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Not facing the choice of dying or going bankrupt?

What’s the metric for that? The average American has decent health insurance. Our system can be painful and I'm not advocate for it, but the average American is not going bankrupt due to medical issues.

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Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by WhrRTheBaboons »

ajuc wrote: post #134
WhrRTheBaboons wrote: post #97

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you got a source for that?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/home-owne... Also my bad, it's 65.7% for US and 87.3% for Poland

A website does not a source make.

It's citing a wikipedia article, which itself has been flagged for needing a better source [0]. The wikipedia in turn cites Statista [1], which claims this is "original data" that cannot be verified without a paid account.

Additionally, the number itself seems to actually be taken from Eurostat (an actual source) [2], which helpfully defines what they mean as the 87% for Poland. Surprise, surprise, it's not actually "87% of Poles own a house". It's "87% of Poles live in households owning or renting their home". That's also conveniently missing from another headline-grabbing numbers like "16% share of housing costs to total disposable income", which refers to the total income of the entire household.

And if you want to delve deeper as for why these numbers might be what they are, you have to consider the following too:

Poland has Europe's 2nd highest share (>50%) of adults living with in their parents' home [3], with 3rd lowest average number of rooms per person [2], 2nd highest household size (number of people) [2], with one third of people living in overcrowded homes (3rd highest in Europe, vs the EU average of 16%)[2].

All this being said, I don't doubt for a second that US is much worse in this regard.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owner-occupancy#International_...

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/246355/home-ownership-ra...

[2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/h...

[3] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/ilc_lvps09/de...

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by hdgvhicv »

stufffer wrote: post #117
hdgvhicv wrote: post #104

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American houses are made of paper. They need reroofing so often the cost always comes up in discussion of house ownership.

Europeans think they have it hard worrying if their elderly family will die from the summer heat, but they will never know the pain of maintaining a 10 ton, 4 zone HVAC system for your mcmansion.

My friend’s inflaws have an old house in France. They’ve just had an air-air AC system installed, are you saying AC isn’t available in Europe?

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by hdgvhicv »

dismalaf wrote: post #125
stufffer wrote: post #117

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Europeans think they have it hard worrying if their elderly family will die from the summer heat, but they will never know the pain of maintaining a 10 ton, 4 zone HVAC system for your mcmansion.

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It’s the US that arrests people for mean tweets.

When you have 3 days a year when temperatures reach 25C inside I’m not sure why you would bother installing AC. As that is changing, AC is becoming more popular.

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by hdgvhicv »

ImJamal wrote: post #113
hdgvhicv wrote: post #103

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So they’re happy to remove the rights of the woman carrying the fetus I assume that continues when the baby is born and people have to sacrifice their rights to feed the baby. Not in as extreme a way as bodily servitude, perhaps just taxation of the work they do to provide food, shelter, healthcare.

I am not really sure what you are getting at. I can't imagine you don't understand that some people think that a fetus, being a creature that is alive and has human DNA is considered a human. You may disagree with such an opinion but it is held by huge amounts of the population. Once you understand that you should be able to understand that some people would continue along the logical conclusion that all humans shoul…

Right. So the same people protect people from being killed by providing them with healthcare, food and shelter?

After all to do that doesn’t require involuntary servitude to carry a fetus for 9 months

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by sumek83 »

ajuc wrote: post #68
toasty228 wrote: post #37

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If you're in the bottom 70% of the working class anywhere in western Europe you'll live pretty much the same way: you will never be able to afford a new car, you'll never be able to retire early, you most likely will never own your own place. Nobody feels rich because the entire system is built by parasites exploiting the bottom 2/3rd. The only meaningful difference is how often and how far you can go in vacation and…

87% of Poles own a house in comparison to 67% in US.

due to large percentage of younger people not being able to afford to move away from their parents

Re: Poland now 6th-largest EU economy, ahead of Switzerland and Belgium

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Post by sph »

WhrRTheBaboons wrote: post #155
ajuc wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/home-owne... Also my bad, it's 65.7% for US and 87.3% for Poland

A website does not a source make. It's citing a wikipedia article, which itself has been flagged for needing a better source [0]. The wikipedia in turn cites Statista [1], which claims this is "original data" that cannot be verified without a paid account. Additionally, the number itself seems to actually be taken from Eurostat (an actual source) [2], which helpfully defines what they mean as the 87% for Poland. Surp…

All this effort to disprove OP's figures and source, without providing your supposedly accurate figures. What's the point?
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