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Re: Unions Can Save Tech Workers and Tech Work

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What do you mean? What is the problem with that statement?

I don't like the implication that there are people who join a union because they are bad at their job. As you see in these comments that is still a prevailing sentiment despite the industry here laying off millions in the last few years with no rhyme nor reason. And despite soaring profits (so these aren't struggling companies who need to let go of talent). Apparently, if you can't make it on your own, you have to le…

> I don't like the implication that there are people who join a union because they are bad at their job.

What are you talking about? I never insinuated anything like that.

Re: Unions Can Save Tech Workers and Tech Work

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These topics are just so difficult to debate. They are filled with feelings and one person's perspective or anecdote, and it is difficult to drill down into what is true or what is not true. You wrote "Modern tech workers arguably have the best career deal in the history of humankind". How do you know? And, for the sake of argument, let us say it is the best deal in the history of humankind, does that make it fair th…

Look at other unions. It's a "union" of workers so they need to have some guidelines. Teaching for instance you know exactly how much money you'll be making over the next 20 years. Add a masters (which may or may not contribute to you being a better teacher) get a bump. Do you believe there is a direct correlation with how long someone was working there and how productive they are? Would you like to live in this rubr…

> The best people want to work in a place where they're valued (and paid) on merit.

It is well recognized that meritocracy is an illusion. A much better determinant of success is the birth lottery. If you're born into a rich family versus a blue-collar one, you have unequal starting points, access to education, better-than-average medical care, and more reliable, higher-quality food. Once you win the birth lottery, you have access to a network full of connections that will hire you based on who you know or who your parents are, rather than your ability (e.g., a Nepo baby). When you are a nepo baby, you are insulated from many of the inequalities built into our financial and education systems.

You'll frequently hear from successful people that they got where they are because they have sufficient morals or good standing in the world, and that if you didn't make it, you're clearly not a good person. This rationalization is mostly bullshit because there are many in the 1% class who are lousy human beings and, by their own justification, should be on the street.

When you buy into meritocracy, you are contributing to keeping the billionaires in place and supporting their destructive behavior, tearing at society.

see: https://www.linkedin.com/videos/the-institute-of-art-and-ide...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311886.2025.2...

https://therowlandfoundation.org/the-myth-of-meritocracy-ref...

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/01/the-myth-of-m...

Re: Unions Can Save Tech Workers and Tech Work

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Big 3 global workforce headcount today is far far below what it was in 1970. The outsourcing explanation doesn't make sense.

And they all sell less cars than on the 70's too. But their profits still stay relatively high and revenue is steadily rising. That doesn't tell me we got efficiency gains, they just shifted models on how and what to make. And where they make it. If we had true efficiency gains there'd be more cars sold, perhaps at cheaper prices.

One would think the true efficiency gains are better quality cars that last longer and require less replacement

Re: Unions Can Save Tech Workers and Tech Work

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until the VC money runs out (e.g. high interest rates) and we have to grind away at some awful, large company

Oh the horror of making 500k working at a large company of Google. Seriously, I wonder if tech workers really even understand how lucky they are being able to sit at a desk instead of, say, toiling away in the mines.

SWE salaries aren't 500k everywhere. Even in expensive places in Europe you're lucky if you break 100k
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