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Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

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Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#151
Synology is truly dead to me now. I used their stuck mostly happily since my first DS412+ way back when. But this thing with locking down features to require their own branded drives is madness. No way, no how.

Last year they tried restricting the OS from creating new volumes unless all drives in it were Synology branded. People tore them a new asshole in the press and they backed away from that.

Now their newest DSM 7.4 release features a new smart storage system with postprocessing deduplication and compression. I tried to enable that on my own volume for testing, but nope: it only works on “pure Synology” volumes.

Fuck that. Synology, get this out of your damn heads. I will never, never buy your stupid, overpriced drives. It won’t happen. Never. And on top of the ludicrous price premium, if one breaks, how do I can get a replacement urgently? If my IronWolf blows up, I can drive over to Central Computer and come home with another just like it. Amazon has few Synology drives in stock and none of them are large. When I have a dead drive, the last thing I’m gonna want to do is go on an urgent quest for a replacement unicorn.

I’m done with ‘em. It’s clear they’re fixated on this stupid idea and aren’t going to give it up. Well, good luck with that and your remaining customer base, which no longer includes me.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#152
post #132

Are there any good out of the box NAS options?

Given the article's bullet points, I would think the UGreen options bypass the first six... the following bullet points are just general market pricing issues and other issues outside of the NAS manufacturer's control. EDIT: OK I see he doesn't like the onboard eMMC - fair enough. I paid $280 for a DXP 2800, and was fortunate enough to get drives before the recent price increases. But I've only got 8GB and missed my…

Thank you. I don’t really sweat the hardware being modular as much as I do security and privacy.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#154

The cookie preference pop up on this site is unacceptable - 1 click to accept all cookies, SEVEN clicks to reject all cookies.

I don't see these because I use the, 'I still don't care about cookies' add-on.

I also use, 'Cookie Auto-Delete', which deletes a sites cookies as soon as I close the tab, unless I specify to keep them, which I do on sites I want to remain logged into.

It surprises me people put up with these annoyances, or ads either.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that's just for home use. Say a small to medium enterprise needing a shared drive. Or even things like say video editing you might need a 10G connection. Furthermore for most it's just a hobby so there's no right or wrong, if you can live with the noise and power of old enterprise gear then kudos to you, or if you think a raspberry pi with a sata hat works then go ahead

>if you think a raspberry pi with a sata hat works then go ahead With the price of drives right now I think I'll have to settle for a blueberry pie and a cowboy hat :\

Sorry to hurt so many net (and gross) peoples' feelings with my casual underestimation :(

Depending on the number of drives, you could instead probably afford some fancy cowboy footwear to go with your alternative purchases too.

Also depending on your preferred boot environment of course . . .

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#156
It's easy to build one yourself. Just don't buy from vendors if you can't run your own software. It's that simple.

I've run two NAS appliances for 15+ years now, and never had to worry about any of this, because I just run good old Community Linux or BSD on it.

I can plug whatever PCIe card I want, as much storage as I want and from whom I want.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#157
post #106
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't a NAS, then. It's a home server.

>That isn't a NAS, then. It's a home server. It's just 2 different usages of "NAS" for different contexts. In a business/enterprise environment, "NAS" is a more constrained definition of a single-purpose rack that only does storage duties. However, in a home environment , "NAS" is a fuzzier definition to also include running "apps" like Home Assistant, Plex/Jellyfish media, or webcam video analysis. Either in contain…

Home server is a perfectly fine term for that. NAS brands show up on Google/Amazon searches because they're cross-advertising, just like how for a while "Bing" would be the top advertisement when you searched for "Google".

You also can invert the relationship and run a NAS on a physical home server. My storage solution is a JBOD ("Just a bunch of disks") attached to a Proxmox virtualization host, where my home server runs as a VM inside Proxmox and then exposes selected directories via Samba to the home network. There's no second computer, I'm just running ~5 of them on one physical server. But by doing this, I get some isolation where if I've downloaded a questionable file, I can quarantine and inspect it (and roll back to a VM checkpoint if it compromises the machine) before I unleash it on the non-technical users of my home network.

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#158

The cookie preference pop up on this site is unacceptable - 1 click to accept all cookies, SEVEN clicks to reject all cookies.

I don't see these because I use the, 'I still don't care about cookies' add-on. I also use, 'Cookie Auto-Delete', which deletes a sites cookies as soon as I close the tab, unless I specify to keep them, which I do on sites I want to remain logged into. It surprises me people put up with these annoyances, or ads either.

This extension gives consent, and cookies are not the only technical way of tracking.

Using uBlock Origin with cookie consent modal filters is way better (but causes breakage at times).

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#159
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That isn't a NAS, then. It's a home server. It's just 2 different usages of "NAS" for different contexts. In a business/enterprise environment, "NAS" is a more constrained definition of a single-purpose rack that only does storage duties. However, in a home environment , "NAS" is a fuzzier definition to also include running "apps" like Home Assistant, Plex/Jellyfish media, or webcam video analysis. Either in contain…

Home server is a perfectly fine term for that. NAS brands show up on Google/Amazon searches because they're cross-advertising, just like how for a while "Bing" would be the top advertisement when you searched for "Google". You also can invert the relationship and run a NAS on a physical home server. My storage solution is a JBOD ("Just a bunch of disks") attached to a Proxmox virtualization host, where my home server…

>Home server is a perfectly fine term for that.

I agree! Maybe my comment is misunderstood. I'm not saying "NAS" is the better term. Instead, I'm saying "NAS" is a common word that people have settled on in the home consumer market. The word "NAS" is literally imprinted on the outside of the box from Synology, QNAP, UGREEN etc even though they also run apps unrelated to pure NAS functionality.

>NAS brands show up on Google/Amazon searches because they're cross-advertising,

Right... but NAS still shows up in unpaid results even when using the specific term "home server". E.g. for Google query : https://www.google.com/search?q=%22home+server%22+for+jellyf...

... the #1 search result at the top is this unsponsored thread from reddit mentioning "NAS" repeatedly from various commenters : https://old.reddit.com/r/JellyfinCommunity/comments/1n48cc7/...

So... asking about running on jellyfin on a "home server", inevitably leads to responders talking about "NAS" ... but wait a sec... if it's a NAS running the Jellyfin music server, it's not really a NAS anymore and the "home server" should be perfectly fine terminology for that! But the replies keep using that word "NAS"! (See how people can keep going around in circles?) The original poster asking the question then adds a reply saying "From the others comments it also seems i should look into getting this NAS thing". Now he becomes one of them and starts using the word "NAS" on the way to having a "home server running jellyfin". The cycle is complete.

From that thread and observing how people naturally talk about this in the home consumer market, the word "NAS" just overwhelms "home server". Keeping the purity of the word "NAS" is not possible anymore.

Likewise, people use the word "phone" to describe the slab in their pocket even though it also has a camera, GPS navigator, calendar, etc. But we don't call it a more general term such as "multifunction pocket computer" or "PDA Personal Digital Assistant". Instead, everybody settled on the word "phone". Most people don't even use it as a phone but rather as a 2-way pager for text chats. Nevertheless, "phone" is the word we use even though it's inconsistent with all the features the device has and how we actually use it every day.

I think synedoche is relevant to how we use both "NAS" and "phone" in seemingly inconsistent ways : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Re: Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

#160
I agree on most points, except perhaps for the expectation of compute and RAM since NAS = ‘network attached storage.’

I’ve had a HP N40L for 15 years and every time I see the current offerings I hope I don’t have to look for hardware soon; it’s been such a great homelab server. After FreeNAS > TrueNAS Core, I now roll my own FreeBSD. It felt like a great leap into the deep end going from GUI to CLI, but I haven’t once looked back.

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