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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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TIL every corp in the world are sketchy people for using VPN.

That isn't what they're banning, and you know it.

Of course, but if the argument is VPN = Bad, then it feels a bit deaf to ignore use cases for VPN…which is exactly why this law didn’t pass.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#152

First question that need to asked from everyone including ownself , why you need VPN?

Bypassing censorship is the biggest one. No, they don't work on Netflix. But they work on many things.

They do work on Netflix, just not the large commercial VPNs.

If you setup your own VPN with an exit at a residential address, it will work fine. There are some commercial offerings around this. Just as soon as you start needing exits that aren't in data-centres the cost skyrockets.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #102

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Instead of an out-of-state vpn, why not an out-of-state home? Why do people put up with the lack of freedom there? People complain about European countries but then praise states like Texas. (Realistically, moving is easier said than done, of course.)

A VPN is 5 dollars. People are not as privileged as you assume and very few chose their location based on age verification laws. European countries have restrictions on freedom of speech which is a strongly held value in America.

I'm not sure what to say that doesn't repeat myself. I can add to my prior comment that many Republican-run states, including Texas, restrict freedom of speech and other freedoms in many ways.

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> VPNs in particular have been tossed around as something that the UK government would like to ban (citation needed/lacking!) It was widely covered (like at https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2217934/vpn-ban-table-july... ) and tech sec. Liz Kendall is on the record with BBC talking about July.

Yeah. And Jess Phillips was calling for that and much more draconian measures (e.g. on device scanning).

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #141

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> A handful of VPN providers become a one stop shop to get the data of what used to be hundreds or thousands of ISP's all over the world in many jurisdictions just as a few big DNS over HTTPS providers become a one stop shop to get the DNS of what used to be hundreds or thousands of ISP's all over the world. This is backward. How many ISPs do you have to choose from? Only a couple because there is limited and local i…

Instead of backward I would say it's looking in from a different window. Both your dilemma and the one I described can both be true. I am not suggesting to not use a VPN but rather load-balance and cycle through a mesh of user-provided VPN's that do not have a money trail so that neither your local ISP nor a big juicy centralized provider have your data. As for disclosure of people being busted I would expect gag ord…

Yes that's pretty much it. You sign to not talk about it, and the obligatory no pirating ever again clause.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #50

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Most of the big VPN companies known from advertisments all over the internet are probably honeypots of the usual countries.

Of all possible scenarios this seems one of the least bad. Government is less likely to sell you out and they can't really use the information to prosecute you legally without revealing "oh btw we were behind that VPN", which is kind of a one time trick.

Parallel construction has been a thing for a very long time to get around this.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#157

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Perhaps people missed that, and would like to start a new discussion? It didn't know there was a quota on discussions of any particular topic, perhaps we should give out tickets to the event in the future to ensure no-one misses their opportunity to join the discourse?

> It didn't know there was a quota on discussions of any particular topic It’s in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#reposts “Are reposts ok? If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates.” Alternately, here are comments by moderator dang that mention reposting: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&…

Reposts is one thing, but the person I replied to was gatekeeping the discussion.

If the post is flagged, that does the job of solving that for us, but telling people not to start a discussion on a subject "because we've been there before" is S tier gatekeeping, and that's what I was opposing.

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#158

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Logging into my work computer, to work in the company network: yeah very sketchy.

That isn't the one they're banning. The law isn't as autistic as nerds think it is.

Exactly. I disagree with the law, but it's obviously not about corporate VPNs

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#159

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Yes correct, I vehemently disagree with people who say things like the first paragraph. I definitely should have been more clear that that was not my opinion, but it's too late to edit now

Eh, I think I disagree. We should support a convention of reading all of the paragraphs to the posts we are responding to, not just the first one.

Yes that would be the ideal! I do hope we can reach that some day

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

#160

VPNs are just tools that sketchy people use for sketchy means. There's no legitimate use for someone who isn't trying to break the law. Allowing these tools let's underage people access porn, and do all manner of undesirable behaviors like accessing region locked content. I have actually heard otherwise intelligent people say things just like that, including site operators who run nontrivial websites. There are of co…

I use a VPN to have access to my HomeAssistant instance at home, where I can control every aspect of the house. Without this, I would have to pay for a domain name, manage the certificates, and exposing myself to external attacks. So, for me, a VPN reduces massively the attack surface. There is this law, where if you don't see the purpose of something, is probably because you never needed it. Which is fine, but don't…

Yes agreed. I use tailscale for the same purpose, and it's so much simpler than having to properly ingress everything from the internet. I have a few older devices on the LAN that have reached EOL as well and would be a terrible idea to expose them directly to the internet (not so much because I don't want someone turning off my light, but more so I don't end up as part of a botnet)
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