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Re: Darktable

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Post by jasonjayr »

pmarreck wrote: post #119
qurren wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Darktable for almost a decade quite happily, but recently am moving off of it because they made one MASSIVE blunder with the new shitty color grading and white balancing tool that never gets any of my images right, all the tones are off, and it doesn't have sane defaults that renders things at least "almost correctly" at first go like the previous white balance tool did. It was way better a couple years ago…

I now have a business idea: Curated Open-Source App Forks. Would you pay to have access to a service which tweaked the open-source software you use just enough to make it much more useful to your workflow, and automatically updated it over time? (I'm not just talking about a one-time fork; I'm talking about a subscription to get access to a maintained fork that stays current with upstream, fixes any conflicts, does t…

Isn't this what happened with ElasticSearch and AWS OpenSearch? I imagine that OSS developers will not appreciate this at scale, especially if the core developers are not reaping some of the revenue from such a project.

Re: Darktable

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Post by epihelix »

MoonWalk wrote: post #146
IgorPartola wrote: post #135

I guess I am in the minority but I did not have a good time with Darktable. I used it for a few years and then had to hold my nose and transition to Lightroom. On decent hardware (MacBook Pro that was only a few years old) it was dog slow. But the worst part was transitioning from their version 2 to version 3 of the workflow or whatever they called it. None of my old photos would render correctly after that and half…

You are in good company. I went into Darktable enthusiastically and with willingness to learn its workflow. What I found was crippling bugs and a piss-poor UI. I've even gone back to it after a few years to see if I'd soften my stance, but nope: It blows. Part of my beef with it is discussed below; people are acknowledging that it sucks at organizing (and, I submit, browsing). But it purports to do it, so you waste t…

The lack of easy browsing is an issue, but Darktable has never purported to provide an image browser / organizer. Quite the contrary, the devs have always been crystal clear that they hate the concept with a fiery passion.

Re: Darktable

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Post by hegdeezy »

I've submitted a PR to darktable in the past. I think my main qualm with the software is that tinkering with the software gets in the way of me tinkering with actually shooting photos

Re: Darktable

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Post by TiredOfLife »

vegetarianarian wrote: post #147
ryanjshaw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Killer feature is intuitive UX. Using DarkTable was an exercise in frustration for me. In darkroom mode you can’t navigate to other photos with cursor keys. Since the cursor keys do nothing else I have no idea why the aren’t bound to the nav. You have to double click on a photo to select it, one click does nothing so again I have no idea why not just bind single click to select. Then it recenters the entire row on wh…

That's a legitimate complaint as a newcomer, but the darkroom navigation hotkeys are backspace and space.

Is delete key used for zooming

Re: Darktable

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Post by yonatan8070 »

IgorPartola wrote: post #135

I guess I am in the minority but I did not have a good time with Darktable. I used it for a few years and then had to hold my nose and transition to Lightroom. On decent hardware (MacBook Pro that was only a few years old) it was dog slow. But the worst part was transitioning from their version 2 to version 3 of the workflow or whatever they called it. None of my old photos would render correctly after that and half…

> Lightroom isn’t perfect. But it is fast

I'm not a Lightroom user myself, but my mom is a photographer and uses Lightroom for all of her photos and at least on her PC, it became extremely slow and painful to use. And it's not like it's a super outdated system either, it has a Ryzen 5600G, RTX 4060, 32GB RAM, nothing too ancient...

We even tried contacting Adobe support, and they claimed that the catalog was corrupted, took the catalog file, and later retured a "fixed" version which had no effect.

They then blamed Windows 10 and suggested we upgrade to 11. Does anyone here have any better tips to get it running more smoothly?

Re: Darktable

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Post by everybodyknows »

mcdonje wrote: post #96
lionkor wrote: post #34

I've been using darktable for a while to edit my RAW photos. The amount of features, viable workflows, and in general the quality of the software is baffling for a free product. I would happily pay 200 bucks or something per year to use this, it makes all other RAW editing software obsolete. I can only recommend it, and there's nothing missing for me, even for editing thousands of RAW photos with presets, different s…

I'm on Debian, which is of course behind. I tried installing the flatpak, which is up to date, but the packager removed the AI parts. The only option I have (short of moving to Arch or similar) is AppImage, which doesn't integrate well with the DE. I get being against AI, but Darktable is very responsible about it according to their release notes. Local only, opt-in only, no nagging. It's not like Adobe trying to pus…

I built from source, on Ubuntu. There are few rough edges -- look for hints on the pixls.us forum. And git-checkout at the release point for version 5.6, not TOT.

Re: Darktable

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Post by everybodyknows »

erksa wrote: post #16

Darktable is fantastic, and their darktable-cli is really clutch as a photographer turned SWE. If coming from lightroom or the likes it does take some dedicated learning to adapt to the "Darktable" ways of doing things. Deceptively similar UI, yet very different approaches and naming. Darktable is however, bad at photograpy organization and collections. Something Lightroom shines at. Built many processes around it fo…

Consider sidecar-only mode, and use whatever external organizing tool you like. This is not documented as such, rather it's the CL option

  --library ':memory:'

Re: Darktable

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Post by mikae1 »

qurren wrote: post #114
lionkor wrote: post #34

I've been using darktable for a while to edit my RAW photos. The amount of features, viable workflows, and in general the quality of the software is baffling for a free product. I would happily pay 200 bucks or something per year to use this, it makes all other RAW editing software obsolete. I can only recommend it, and there's nothing missing for me, even for editing thousands of RAW photos with presets, different s…

I've used Darktable for almost a decade quite happily, but recently am moving off of it because they made one MASSIVE blunder with the new shitty color grading and white balancing tool that never gets any of my images right, all the tones are off, and it doesn't have sane defaults that renders things at least "almost correctly" at first go like the previous white balance tool did. It was way better a couple years ago…

> but recently am moving off of it because they made one MASSIVE blunder with the new shitty color grading and white balancing tool

If you're talking about color calibration and color balance rgb you can disable them and use darktable exactly as before.

Re: Darktable

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Post by seemaze »

pmarreck wrote: post #119
qurren wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Darktable for almost a decade quite happily, but recently am moving off of it because they made one MASSIVE blunder with the new shitty color grading and white balancing tool that never gets any of my images right, all the tones are off, and it doesn't have sane defaults that renders things at least "almost correctly" at first go like the previous white balance tool did. It was way better a couple years ago…

I now have a business idea: Curated Open-Source App Forks. Would you pay to have access to a service which tweaked the open-source software you use just enough to make it much more useful to your workflow, and automatically updated it over time? (I'm not just talking about a one-time fork; I'm talking about a subscription to get access to a maintained fork that stays current with upstream, fixes any conflicts, does t…

VPD - virtual private developer. Sell off parcels of developer attention by the hour!

Re: Darktable

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Post by Groxx »

doubletwoyou wrote: post #107
mcdonje wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on Debian, which is of course behind. I tried installing the flatpak, which is up to date, but the packager removed the AI parts. The only option I have (short of moving to Arch or similar) is AppImage, which doesn't integrate well with the DE. I get being against AI, but Darktable is very responsible about it according to their release notes. Local only, opt-in only, no nagging. It's not like Adobe trying to pus…

One way to get the AppImage to integrate better would be to install appimaged. Another way to get the up-to-date version on Debian would be to use Nix (install nix, add the stable or unstable channel or whatnot, and make darktable installable)

GearLever is handy too, though they seem moderately different in goals and I'm not familiar with the details
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