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Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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Note that Wero is amongs others based on the Dutch iDEAL [1] system, which was introduced 21 years ago. Virtually every Dutch web shop supports iDEAL (and many only support iDEAL) as well as international payment services such as PayPal and Stripe. As a result, the vast majority of transactions of Dutch webshops go through iDEAL. It is really a super-nice frictionless system. iDEAL also supports P2P payments through…

> and many only support iDEAL Actually, look closer when you pay using Ideal (as we all do). You will notice that usually there are several payment methods, and these almost always include credit cards . The reason for this is not because the Dutch like to pay using credit cards (most Dutch never use one), but because of a little known law regarding online stores. It is, in fact, not allowed to only offer payment opt…

To be honest I like the idea of forcing merchants to accept credit cards in addition to this.

Regardless of how much I like the idea of a payments layer without Visa/Mastercard fees, I think the rich engineers of hackernews and 10,000 overpaid consultants who worked on this massively underestimate how valuable an interest-free 30 day bridge loan is to average people (and businesses) on monthly payroll.

Combine this with the consumer protections and threat of a dispute (which almost always sides with the buyer) and it generally tilts power to the consumer in most credit card transactions, if the consumer has autopay setup (huge caveat of course).

This new layer is totally neutral, and removes the detriment to the merchant in terms of fees/risk, but not sure it’s actually as good for the market as claimed here. For me it’s a net loss, and harming consumers ultimately harms the merchant in terms of willingness to buy things. If it becomes trendy for merchants to start refusing credit cards to use this instead, I will be WAY less likely to take a risk on a purchase I’m not 100% confident about.

Im not willing to try new products from most startups for example if I can’t buy on a credit card.

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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The article headline screams Claude to me, is that just me? I am as bullish as can be on AI usage, but I’m either hallucinating myself or this is the classic AI “not this, but that” phrase that I keep reading all day. > Decathlon didn’t just add a new payment button to its German checkout page. It handed European banks their first big-box sporting goods test case at a moment when competition in digital payments is in…

Yes, I also felt that. FWIW Pangram says "moderately AI-assisted".

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

#153

Europeans are anti American nowadays.

Well no. We were just reminded (pretty directly and rudely, I might add) that USA is not always on our side. Nothing wrong with being independent and able to stand on our own feet. Which in turn will benefit USA too, assuming we stay allies.

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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Wero is such a valuable asset for Europe and couldn't have come at a better time. It's built on the excellent SEPA system, which standardized bank transfers and "Lastschrift" in Europe. SEPA itself got a huge upgrade last year with mandatory instant transfers that cannot cost more than standard transfers between European checking accounts. Both of those allowed Wero to happen as a final abstract top layer, meaning: t…

> No account necessary and no private american conglomerates can delete that account. Officially you need a Google or Apple account to download a wero capable app from their stores, and Google and Apple can always delete all wero capable apps from their stores like for example with Russian sanctioned banks. Some banking apps work on non - google play controlled android smartphones, but always only accidentally. Some…

But you can use Wero also from your good old desktop PC, right? Sure, paying in a restaurant with Wero for example might need this, but I think this is a really, really great first step in the right direction

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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The first time I read "US store X supports Apple Pay or Google Pay now" I was really confused. I didn't know that was a thing. Here (NL) contactless payments works with every debit card, physical or stored Apple Google/Pay, in every store. There is no difference between payment providers, everyone offers contactless payments and it works with every bank. (The only exception are credit cards, but they are not used a l…

Last time I visited NL many shops (including Albert Heijn) only supported Maestro, so as a foreigner you effectively can't pay with Visa or Mastercard.

Not with Visa/Mastercard credit cards, but Visa/Mastercard debit cards work everywhere. In fact, my current main card is a Visa debit card (not Maestro or V-Pay, it has the same code format as a credit card and a CVC code, which my older Maestro/V-Pay cards didn't have).

This is one of the reasons why Garmin Pay is pretty useless here. Most banks only support it with credit cards and a lot of stores do not take credit card-based contactless payments (with some exceptions like e.g. Jumbo and Decathlon).

The reason is that debit cards have been the standard cards since the beginning. Nowadays more people have a credit card for online shopping outside the country, etc. But when I was young my dad had a credit card and that was fairly exceptional.

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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Wero shows that marketing is everything. It's just regular bank transactions with a much larger fee. We could have had EPC QR codes and similar completely free technologies instead.

Not really, the UX is the differentiator. That's why neobanks like N26 are popular as you can just send money to your friends via email / phone number but it only works if they are on the same bank. With Wero it's across all banks, building on the recent instant transfer that is being rolled out quickly while still having the same, familiar UX as PayPal or other apps like that while being a EU solution.

There's two functions of Wero: peer-to-peer and consumer-to-business transactions. TFA is about consumer-to-business.

If you look at the video for how Wero online payments work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5_X3oSgHM), you'll see that an EPC QR code could just as well be used (with a banking app installed instead of Wero).

With Wero you probably also get automatic processing of the incoming payment, without having to connect the financial transaction to a purchase yourself. But payment through bank transfers is also available through the payment service providers and costs less than Wero (at least it costs less when using Mollie; the Stripe fee is the same for Wero and bank transfer, and Adyen apparently hasn't published the Wero fee yet). So you'd still get the same service for less money.

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#157
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For Amazon Spain I use my debit card. Is there an upside to using Bizum?

I tend to prefer Bizum over my card, as my newfangled debit card has a CVV code that changes every 10 minutes, so I can no longer just autofill the card with a password manager, I MUST open the bank app to get the CVV code. With Bizum I don't need that, input my phone number, approve the dialogue in the bank app, then for future purchases it's automatically approved. That no fees goes to American companies is just th…

> my newfangled debit card has a CVV code that changes every 10 minutes, ...

Wow, is it using e-paper? Cool!

> ..., I MUST open the bank app to get the CVV code.

Ah. Gotcha.

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

#158

such a slow roll-out, Brazil implementation of Pix was ridiculously faster.

Most EU countries have had some sort of payment standard and use different kinds of setups so it’s not as easy as doing it in one jurisdiction. Also the EU generally is quite conservative and slow.

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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post #137

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If Wero is going to be similar to iDEAL, which it is based on, the payment flow will be through your bank's app. Heck, even the Wero app description says so: The Wero app is available only for account holders from the German bank Postbank and the French bank La Banque Postale. Are you a customer of another Wero-enabled bank? If so, you can easily use Wero within your banking app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/de…

Im a German with a German Postbank account, living in Switzerland. Wero app Play Store page: "This item isn't available in your country." Hard to cheer for a thing when it prevents you to access your own money, and promises to "easily pay" immediately fall flat. Paypal is bad but at least it doesn't fail at step 0.

To be fair, how is Google blocking you from downloading an app, a Wero problem though?

Re: Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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> The Wero app can be installed on any mobile device or tablet running iOS 17.4 or later, or Android 9 or later. We recommend updating your device to the latest version of its operating system for maximum performance and security. > It is not possible to send Wero payments to friends & family via a web browser or on a computer Truly independent from US companies ... If you don't have an iOS or an Android device, you…

You can use your PC

Can you elaborate?
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