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Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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> Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost I am guessing this is not targeting those of us on the heavily subsidized $200/mo plans. Sure, these plans may be temporary, but none of us really know how temporary they are. Until then, 1/3rd of the published API pricing is not very appealing.

I burned though my weekly fable usage last night on the $200 plan. I had $200 in promotional usage credits and was in the middle of executing a moderate sized coding plan. Ran on usage credits for about 1h 15m and burned $120 in usage credits. I was astounded to see how fast the $ usage added up. One problem was that I was using sub-agent execution so multiple agents were running simultaneously and I realized at the…

My current 30-day Codex usage amounts to over 15,000 USD in tokens.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#152

> Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost I am guessing this is not targeting those of us on the heavily subsidized $200/mo plans. Sure, these plans may be temporary, but none of us really know how temporary they are. Until then, 1/3rd of the published API pricing is not very appealing.

> Sure, these plans may be temporary, but none of us really know how temporary they are. Anthropic emailed me today: Fable 5 moved to usage credits on July 20. It is still available to you, but it requires pay-as-you-go usage credits and is not included in your subscription rate limits.

That's going to be on the $20 plan. IIRC the $100 and $200 plans keep the 50% fable usage.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I burned though my weekly fable usage last night on the $200 plan. I had $200 in promotional usage credits and was in the middle of executing a moderate sized coding plan. Ran on usage credits for about 1h 15m and burned $120 in usage credits. I was astounded to see how fast the $ usage added up. One problem was that I was using sub-agent execution so multiple agents were running simultaneously and I realized at the…

I am too young (most of us on here are) to have lived through the paying for time on time-share machines in the 60s/70s, but this is giving me creepy memories of paying for sprintnet/telenet and tymnet... And I guess aol, compuserv, delphi. Are we really doing this computing model again?

That is really a great insight!

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#154
post #152

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> Sure, these plans may be temporary, but none of us really know how temporary they are. Anthropic emailed me today: Fable 5 moved to usage credits on July 20. It is still available to you, but it requires pay-as-you-go usage credits and is not included in your subscription rate limits.

That's going to be on the $20 plan. IIRC the $100 and $200 plans keep the 50% fable usage.

I'm on Teams and Fable is now usage credit only.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#155

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I imagine that most small to medium sized businesses are on either individual plans or Teams plans. The vast majority of firms do not need more than 150 seats, and API rates are not sustainable for most.

if this is true, the frontier labs are not able to justify their trillion dollar valuations, they are barely making anything on subsidized plans.

You can bet that most people on those plans do not tokenmax.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#156
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I believe they will last until they IPO, and not long after that. $200/mo plans are not good for their P&L when their users using $10000 worth api credits. That's -98% margin loss per user.

People point to the equivalent API costs to show that they are getting a great deal on the subscription, 10,000 dollars worth of tokens for 200 dollars. I do wonder if it's the other way around though - are the API users simply getting ripped off? I have seen Dario say in multiple interviews that they are profitable on inference, which maybe he was only meaning to refer to API usage, but that's not the impression I g…

> I'm not convinced that the 200 dollar plans are unprofitable.

Especially considering not everyone is tokenmaxxing, and in most parts of the world people take leave and companies do not cut their subscriptions.

I suspect they are priced to have a lifetime average price/token amount that is roughly break-even, or maybe a slight loss leader.

> have seen Dario say in multiple interviews that they are profitable on inference, which maybe he was only meaning to refer to API usage, but that's not the impression I got.

I think he does mean API usage. Don't forget they can (and do) adjust the number of tokens you get on each plan at any time to adjust their margins on those.

That means he knows that is controllable, and it only the underlaying inference that defines the succes or otherwise of the company.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's going to be on the $20 plan. IIRC the $100 and $200 plans keep the 50% fable usage.

I'm on Teams and Fable is now usage credit only.

You are on a Pro plans and standard seats on Team plans: Fable 5 isn't included in your plan's usage limits.

For Premium seats it is.

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15424964-claude-fable...

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#160

> Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost I am guessing this is not targeting those of us on the heavily subsidized $200/mo plans. Sure, these plans may be temporary, but none of us really know how temporary they are. Until then, 1/3rd of the published API pricing is not very appealing.

Unless you want to not get rate limited (or banned depending on how close you are sailing to the claw wind)
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