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Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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trollbridge wrote: post #76
cube00 wrote: post #31

For example, automotive technicians and industrial mechanics use AI to interpret complex test results, debug electrical wiring, and inspect machinery for wear. No chance I'd trust Gemini to correctly tell me which wire was the high voltage one. You're absolutely right! I apologize for providing a factually incorrect explanation. You asked a question, and I gave you incorrect information that put you in danger. That f…

Even the best AI tools are consistently wrong at interpreting the NEC and often in odd ways, like making it stricter than it actually is, or mixing multiple countries’ standards together. 100% useless in an AHJ with a lot of their own rules like Chicago/Cook County.

Asking an llm to make a code interpretation is like asking a tape measure to drive a nail. An LLM will be very good at finding relevant code, maybe even explaining its intent or history. It will not be very good at weighing competing priorities, that’s something a human needs to do.

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Post by cognitiveinline »

customguy wrote: post #136
cognitiveinline wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll see. I'm guessing you'll have to accept a very different world.

We're seeing, right now, that the people pushing for it are doing it in ways just as you do. Maybe you'll have to accept being considered a second class slop human, who knows? Or do the threats only flow one way?

If you see what I said as a threat, I'm afraid it shows more your state of mind, than anything I've typed.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Here it appears the data collected when computers users submit "prompts" to Google will be shared with "researchers, policymakers, businesses, workers, and other participants in the economy as we work together to shape the ways AI can positively support people in their lives."

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Post by grey-area »

engineer_22 wrote: post #150
grey-area wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI psychosis. No, LLM generated answers are not the same as those from a qualified expert. Of course you should trust a human if that is their job and you should never trust a word generator to give you accurate answers to an important question.

In safety critical jobs nobody is trusted, everything is verified. And there is someone checking the checker.

This is not always true - e.g. gas engineers and electricians do safety critical work every day without supervision, and we trust them to do so because they are certified and they are held responsible for failures.

The same standards of care and responsibilty cannot be applied to LLMs, and asking one about electrical safety or medial issues is very similar to googling and trusting the results.

I get that people here want to believe, but the op is far too trusting of LLMs and using them in domains where it is highly inappropriate.

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Post by customguy »

cognitiveinline wrote: post #152
customguy wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're seeing, right now, that the people pushing for it are doing it in ways just as you do. Maybe you'll have to accept being considered a second class slop human, who knows? Or do the threats only flow one way?

If you see what I said as a threat, I'm afraid it shows more your state of mind, than anything I've typed.

maybe an LLM can explain it to you, just give it the context as well

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Post by olalonde »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #130
jorisw wrote: post #114

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So it pivoted from sending money to sending money...?

Again, it isn't money if it isn't generally accepted. Crypto was forced to pivot into an exotic investment thing that works great if you already have "regular money" to convert and spend. It is not money.

No money is generally accepted. USD would come closest but it's still far from true (probably fewer than 10% of merchants globally).

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Post by engineer_22 »

grey-area wrote: post #154
engineer_22 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In safety critical jobs nobody is trusted, everything is verified. And there is someone checking the checker.

This is not always true - e.g. gas engineers and electricians do safety critical work every day without supervision, and we trust them to do so because they are certified and they are held responsible for failures. The same standards of care and responsibilty cannot be applied to LLMs, and asking one about electrical safety or medial issues is very similar to googling and trusting the results. I get that people here…

> Of course you should trust a human if that is their job

I’m telling you, in industries dealing with high energy, they DO NOT trust people just because it’s their job. THEY CHECK. Just like people should CHECK the LLM. I think we agree that LLM cannot be trusted. But where we don’t agree is “trust the experts because they’re humans” - that’s not an argument it’s a troll.

> gas engineers and electricians do safety critical work every day without supervision

This simply isn’t true. Electricians work is inspected before being placed into service. Engineers work is reviewed internally and permitted externally before going to construction.

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by grey-area »

engineer_22 wrote: post #157
grey-area wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not always true - e.g. gas engineers and electricians do safety critical work every day without supervision, and we trust them to do so because they are certified and they are held responsible for failures. The same standards of care and responsibilty cannot be applied to LLMs, and asking one about electrical safety or medial issues is very similar to googling and trusting the results. I get that people here…

> Of course you should trust a human if that is their job I’m telling you, in industries dealing with high energy, they DO NOT trust people just because it’s their job. THEY CHECK. Just like people should CHECK the LLM. I think we agree that LLM cannot be trusted. But where we don’t agree is “trust the experts because they’re humans” - that’s not an argument it’s a troll. > gas engineers and electricians do safety cr…

It certainly is true, from experience.

You’ve never actually hired an electrician or gas engineer to work on your house have you?

Also it’s not trust the experts because they are humans but trust the experts because they are experts.

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