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Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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Yep they can just prompt Fable or Mythos! Here is the prompt they can use: Claude, migrate Claude Code into Rust. Make no mistakes!

Genuinely Fable would do a decent job.

Yep and they still don't do it! So we should do as they do, not as they say

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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If we take coding off the table i don't see the case for large agent swarms. More is not always better in my experience experimenting with agents

If you can't see cases for it you may need some glasses. Replace the graph in the docs of Top-level planner -> mid-level planners -> worker leaf nodes and you get an org chart of CEO -> executives, N-levels of management, and ICs at the leafs. It directly maps to almost any office-based company that can operate completely digitally. It's obviously in its infancy but fully agentic companies are becoming a possibility,…

Lets separate "workers" from "decision seats", you might need a lot of workers which typically don't actual require inference and might actually just be cheap solvers but actually less decision seats. So i guess it depends on what you are calling agents in your scenario.

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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I initially thought that getting agents to work for longer and in large groups was the future, but I'm increasingly thinking that, at least for engineering, just one thread makes more sense. The agent pulls things into context as needed. One thing that I've been experimenting with is also letting the agent remove things from context, such as files. But just adding to the context and compacting when it's full seems li…

Have you used this method yourself for long workflows and with contexts approaching 1 million tokens? It doesn't work very well. LLM context is nearly half unusable.

I always let GPT 5.5/5.6 sol reach compatction. I'm only offered a 258K window, but I think once they release 1M to normal plan users, it will be usable across the whole 1M. At least with Opus I could use the whole 1M. I'd argue that the more context I use, the better performance gets. It has more info already available. I don't notice degradation.

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

#154

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Genuinely Fable would do a decent job.

Yep and they still don't do it! So we should do as they do, not as they say

I do somewhat agree. I can only speculate that they're pumping out new features incredibly fast and they don't want to fall a month behind the competition.

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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How much slop you figure Shakespeare produced?

Honestly judging from the volume of his output, a ton . It’s rare to run into prodigious artists who simply produce a few perfect pieces - as a rule those few magnum opuses are built on a hill of cutting room floor scraps.

I don’t know how to feel about HN thinking one of the greatest artist of all time produced slop. You guys really think Leonardo davinci was drawing ladies with 6 fingers before the Mona Lisa?

I assure the worst of Shakespeares work is far beyond anything most writers can produce, much less the incoherent slop LLMs generate

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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Have you used this method yourself for long workflows and with contexts approaching 1 million tokens? It doesn't work very well. LLM context is nearly half unusable.

I've found that model performance starts substantially degrading after 10%.

I see with qwen3.6-35B running in Pi that it gets stuck in loops when the 262k context gets more than 30% full.

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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Yep and they still don't do it! So we should do as they do, not as they say

I do somewhat agree. I can only speculate that they're pumping out new features incredibly fast and they don't want to fall a month behind the competition.

Why will they fall behind competition when any feature is just an English prompt away?

Unless they're lying that is!

Re: Agent swarms and the new model economics

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Honestly judging from the volume of his output, a ton . It’s rare to run into prodigious artists who simply produce a few perfect pieces - as a rule those few magnum opuses are built on a hill of cutting room floor scraps.

The director James Cameron stands out because he has only produced huge box office hits. Extremely hard to do like you said, and most artists and auteurs would be happy to have one great work they can be remembered for, even if it's amidst a dozen forgettable pieces.

Don't let your personal love of Piranha II convince you that it was a box office hit.
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