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It has electrolytes.
British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply
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This bonmot sounded cool and fun years ago, but not anymore. It is actually OK and desirable for governments to help, to organize and to lead toward positive outcome. Governments should do more then just pay military, prisons and police. Deliberate destruction and expectation of nothing positive from the governments already caused enough damage.
Probably with the exception of a country or two, governments never run a successful business when competition is involved. Never ever. So no, it is not desirable for the government to intervene in any way in private business and "save them".
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the spirit of fairness I have to note the untold deaths caused by non-socialist countries in Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, pretty much every country in South America...
Or even Western nations like America and Canada? How many people die every year from preventable causes? To exposure? To suicide?
I never understood this selfish desire to stop people from killing themselves. What's it to you if a person jumps from a building or shots itself in the head? Did you ever think that they might have had actually good reasons for doing what they did?
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the spirit of fairness I have to note the untold deaths caused by non-socialist countries in Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, pretty much every country in South America...
Last century non-socialist governments caused untold deaths in many Western countries, starting with Germany for a better known example, but the entire list is quite long. So could it be that it wasn't socialism the problem?
Socialism is always the problem.
If you're talking about the Nazis in Germany, socialism is in their name, you now? If you're talking before Hitler, the Kaiser was socialist. So socialism anyway you slice it.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do you really think there's that many people willing to work between 18-25 and 54+? And willing to work long hours at the minimum-wage rates required for US-based manufacturing .... P.S. 18-25 and 54+ ... its actually 16–25 and 54+ I don't think you'll find many 16–18 year olds biting your arm off for a job in manufacturing either...
US average manufacturing average wage is $36/hr, which is far more than minimum wage. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES3000000003
> US average manufacturing average wage is $36/hr,
Chinese-scale manufacturing cities in the US at $36/hr ? Yeah, that ... ain't happening.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
It never sounded cool and fun. It was government acknowledging its own limitations. Governments don't perform better if we all cheer them on. Right now a government (Russia's) is waging war on a country. Last century governments caused untold death in socialist countries (Venezuela, China, USSR) because they were trying to organise centrally.
> It was government acknowledging its own limitations No it was not. It was deliberately trying to make government sound as useless as possible, so that its useful programs can be dismantled. You are ignoring all good things that came out of governments. That is also deliberate choice. If Ukraine government fell, they would be Russians now. Last century, we have see a lot of good coming out of governments - starting…
You're conflating issues: governments started wars, they lost, new governments did not want to repeat the war because the people that elected them opposed it.
Human rights, at least in the US, were the won by a lot of suffering from the ordinary people, not by the benevolence of any senator/congressman/president. They passed the laws to appease the people, not because they wanted to.
Science comes when governments do not impede research. Do you think SpaceX would have existed if the government decided to help? NASA has become a shell of its former self, launching rockets into space that cost more than who knows how many Falcon launches. Government at work.
I could go on, but we, as a species, need a government to kind of keep peace amongst our selves and not go overboard too much. But more than that, governments are a hindrance to human evolution and development.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The idea of making money by making things (as opposed to arbitrage) is anathema to them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial_stance_of_The_Econom... They're pro free trade against government intervention. That's not the same as "making things ... is anathema to them". They're for planning reform in uk, to help build infrastructure and homes, for instance.
> They're for planning reform in uk As long as the reform is to cut taxes for the rich
>As long as the reform is to cut taxes for the rich
Source? Strangely "tax" only has one hit within the wikipedia article, and it's not about tax cuts. If it's really such an important part of their editorial stance, you should update the article.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or even Western nations like America and Canada? How many people die every year from preventable causes? To exposure? To suicide?
I never understood this selfish desire to stop people from killing themselves. What's it to you if a person jumps from a building or shots itself in the head? Did you ever think that they might have had actually good reasons for doing what they did?
It's not seflish though - who has to clean that up? What about the people nearby who have to witness it?
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean that, for example the link here is to bbc.com, and it does not recirect me to bbc.co.uk
It redirects me fine.
I had JS off. If I turn JS on it redirects me. Not "fine" though as it loads the page on bbc.com and then redirects which is slow and annoying.