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Stealing Is a Skill

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Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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Post by dang »

parliament32 wrote: post #85
sillysaurusx wrote: post #15

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I spent about a year copying pg’s site: https://github.com/shawwn/pg Result: https://shawwn.github.io/pg/ If you think it’s easy, it’s not. The closer you want it to be pixel perfect, the exponentially harder it is to get right. https://www.paulgraham.com/copy.html I’m very proud of it. I had to dig through decades-old viaweb templates to figure out which one he used.

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This crosses into personal attack and is obviously against the site guidelines. You've been doing it in other threads too (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48223342). We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48678355 as well.

Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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Post by dang »

parliament32 wrote: post #150
sillysaurusx wrote: post #122

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Gosh hacker news is so disappointing nowadays. You show a project, you say hey, this is hard, I’m proud of it, and someone comes along and tells you that ackshually it was easy because you used a few prompts. You have no idea. Try to redo what I did if you think it’s easy. No looking at my solutions either. "You slopped it" should be bannable. In the overwhelming majority of cases, the author is wrong, it does nothin…

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While I have you, would you please stop posting this type of comment? You've been doing it so excessively that it crosses into abuse of HN. Here is just one set of examples: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

There is room for a wide spectrum of opinions about AI on HN, as on any topic, but your comments on this are so repetitive that your account has practically turned into a single-purpose account, and we don't allow those here. Also, repetitive-indignant comments are the worst kind of HN comments. We want the opposite quadrant of that 2x2 matrix here.

Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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Post by mannanj »

fragmede wrote: post #149
mannanj wrote: post #148

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why not? I'm curious what you define as "property". Does property have to be physical? For example if you felt your body and your mind was your property, if someone else copied your mind and was now profiting off of that without your consent, would you not feel that harmful to you?

If someone generated AI porn of me I'd certainly feel violated, among other things, but it's not stealing the same way as stealing my car so I can't get to work is. So it's not stealing, we need a different word. copyright infringement doesn't roll off the tongue though. 盗版 "doh baan" is Cantonese for pirated software/media. The original isn't easy to type, but daoban is. Daoban might not ever enter western lexicon t…

Which words are you proposing work better for the scenarios in this article?

Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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Post by klondike_klive »

pseudosavant wrote: post #86

I've gone through my own cycle of this as a musician. Early in my music experience I was always obsessed with originality, and wouldn't learn a lot of existing pieces. At the stage I'm at now, I find great value in learning great songs and understanding why they work. There is a lot of great work out there and if you are unwilling to be derivative in anyway, you'll intentionally avoid using and finding great things t…

It's taken me reaching my fifties and entering an entirely new career to realise this. That arrogance and ambition of youth, the hard-line unwillingness to compromise and study other people's work really held me back!

Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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Post by fragmede »

mannanj wrote: post #153
fragmede wrote: post #149

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If someone generated AI porn of me I'd certainly feel violated, among other things, but it's not stealing the same way as stealing my car so I can't get to work is. So it's not stealing, we need a different word. copyright infringement doesn't roll off the tongue though. 盗版 "doh baan" is Cantonese for pirated software/media. The original isn't easy to type, but daoban is. Daoban might not ever enter western lexicon t…

Which words are you proposing work better for the scenarios in this article?

Daoban is the word I'm introducing from Cantonese.

Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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Post by underlipton »

omnimus wrote: post #144
underlipton wrote: post #125

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Eh. Allow me to play devil's advocate, for funsies. Yes, as the blog post states, Virgil Abloh "stole" (or "steals"). But he did not steal, he "stole" ("steals"). That is, his entire modus operandi was appropriating and "elevating" the work of others. This was expected of him. If his inspiration was not obvious, then it was time to start looking for whoever he did "steal" from. Some (not 100%) of this was from lesser…

The main reason Abloh could work this way was because his buddy Kanye West was famous and this gave the work huge exposure and crucially exposure to a newer audience. That's why fashion companies liked it, it was a new market. Otherwise this "elevation" of other past work is extremely common practice in arts. Every other art student does recontextualisation even brands do lots of self-referential work. That is why mu…

The modern fashion industry as we know it has always had black workers and designers, but it was essentially unheard of for a black man to be named the artistic director of a major legacy fashion house. Particularly for businesses that touch the luxury space, much of the last few centuries have involved taking as much as can be taken from non-white, non-male artists and artisans without being forced to give credit or, god forbid, a leadership role. Abloh's ascension to just such a leadership role at Louis Vuitton was objectively a watershed moment.

As you say, "elevation" and appropriation are extremely common practices in fashion in particular, so the (passive-aggressive) ire he inspires in some circles would have to be based on something other than the way he worked. I don't think it was his professional background, either, considering that he had an advanced creative degree (in architecture) and several years of experience building brands independently and interning under established businesses.

Certainly, "elitism" gets closest to describing the true source, but I'll note that there is no fundamental disagreement or mutual exclusivity between that and "racism"; in fact, they often come paired. The latter, as we know, often distorts perception, leading to things like incorrect reads of Abloh's career and work as "not sophisticated," or "not influential," or "not novel or interesting," or as "kinda mid."

Re: Stealing Is a Skill

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underlipton wrote: post #158
omnimus wrote: post #144

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The main reason Abloh could work this way was because his buddy Kanye West was famous and this gave the work huge exposure and crucially exposure to a newer audience. That's why fashion companies liked it, it was a new market. Otherwise this "elevation" of other past work is extremely common practice in arts. Every other art student does recontextualisation even brands do lots of self-referential work. That is why mu…

The modern fashion industry as we know it has always had black workers and designers, but it was essentially unheard of for a black man to be named the artistic director of a major legacy fashion house. Particularly for businesses that touch the luxury space, much of the last few centuries have involved taking as much as can be taken from non-white, non-male artists and artisans without being forced to give credit or…

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