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Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by pc86 » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:08 PM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #63

scottyah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it not? I get the whole fear of AI making robots and going anti-human, but after using the tech for a few months now that seems too absurd.

There are two rationale objections, I think... One is the potential for skill rot where AI grows a heavy dependence in new employees and once the real price per token cost is settled on and discoverable (post massive IPOs and probably a while post - not immediately after) we, as a society, are left with a bunch of people dependent on a deeply inefficient technology to maintain software we now view as vital that might…

What climate change have to do with anything?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by fyltr » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:09 PM UTC

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #129

roadside_picnic wrote: post #44

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I have a home server that runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B through llama.cpp with Open WebUI for the user facing interface. My teen isn't super interested in AI, but whenever they do feel curious they have their own account they can use on our home network. As far as chatting goes local models are more than capable for handling standard chat questions, doing research, helping troubleshoot problems etc. In fact it was an agent po…

> I run an uncensored, ephemeral model for my own use and it's an entirely different experience than anything you can pay for. Dont. Goon. To. LLMs

Wasn't the parent post referring to 'legitimate' demands? I often use them to get a broad overview of a technical field before reading human stuff on it, and it might be me but those clankers tend to spend half their reasoning on whether they are allowed to reply to my request. Censorship is an annoying waste of capacity for certain use cases, although it certainly has its boons when shipping commercial models.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:10 PM UTC

baq wrote: post #140

SimianSci wrote: post #14

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

More signal this won’t happen without some serious social unrest, not garden variety Jan 6 events… and the window is closing rapidly - when this tech gets sufficiently advanced there won’t be a place to hide.

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Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by thewebguyd » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:10 PM UTC

scottyah wrote: post #131

thewebguyd wrote: post #106

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Because (collective) we don't own the tech. Frontier models are proprietary, their reasoning logic is hidden, and as seen with Fable the government giveth and taketh away on a whim. Capabilities can be gated behind certification programs, or by money, or any other numerous corrupt and non-corrupt means. Model capabilities can be segregated by pricing tiers, creating an economic underclass that cannot afford access to…

Do you hate all lessons from humanity's past or just the most important ones? If it takes work from a specific subset of the population and isn't compensated, then my friend, what you advocate for is slavery...

Ah yes, I forgot, Linus Torvalds and the thousands of others that built Linux over time are all slaves. Guess someone should probably go rescue them.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by scottyah » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:12 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #132

thewebguyd wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because (collective) we don't own the tech. Frontier models are proprietary, their reasoning logic is hidden, and as seen with Fable the government giveth and taketh away on a whim. Capabilities can be gated behind certification programs, or by money, or any other numerous corrupt and non-corrupt means. Model capabilities can be segregated by pricing tiers, creating an economic underclass that cannot afford access to…

I agree with this. Computing as a field is the way it is because there is a low barrier to entry. My dad gave me a Tandy 1000 and some programming books, and now I have a very lucrative career. I never took any classes. I never had to beg anyone for permission. I could just get started making things with the minimal investment of a cheap personal computer. (And eventually, an Internet connection. Working with other p…

Did your dad give you a Tandy 1000 or a Cray X-MP/48? Do you really think you need the most top-of-the-line model to learn anything, or will a locally run gemma4 (or whatever it turns into) still get you going just the same as when you were a child?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by panny » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:14 PM UTC

rvnx wrote: post #123

roadside_picnic wrote: post #44

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I have a home server that runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B through llama.cpp with Open WebUI for the user facing interface. My teen isn't super interested in AI, but whenever they do feel curious they have their own account they can use on our home network. As far as chatting goes local models are more than capable for handling standard chat questions, doing research, helping troubleshoot problems etc. In fact it was an agent po…

From a privacy perspective, your objective is to stay away from people who have interest to snoop on your conversations. So from the perspective of your teen, they would benefit from using z.ai or ChatGPT or Claude, etc, rather than the local server where you can see all the conversations. What uncensored model do you recommend using ?

>From a privacy perspective, your objective is to stay away from people who have interest to snoop on your conversations.

>So from the perspective of your teen, they would benefit from using z.ai or ChatGPT or Claude, etc, rather than the local server where you can see all the conversations.

That is bonkers. If I were a parent, I would hope my child would trust me more than systems monitored by FBI/NSA/etc. Like, what sort of sick relationship do you have to have with your own family to trust them less than strangers who would sell you into prison slavery for a buck.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by scottyah » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:15 PM UTC

thewebguyd wrote: post #154

scottyah wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you hate all lessons from humanity's past or just the most important ones? If it takes work from a specific subset of the population and isn't compensated, then my friend, what you advocate for is slavery...

Ah yes, I forgot, Linus Torvalds and the thousands of others that built Linux over time are all slaves. Guess someone should probably go rescue them.

None of them were compelled, and nobody is stopping you from running your own LLM generously provided by others. Doesn't mean when linux came out people nationalized Apple and Microsoft.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by agumonkey » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:15 PM UTC

roadside_picnic wrote: post #44

SimianSci wrote: post #14

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

I have a home server that runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B through llama.cpp with Open WebUI for the user facing interface. My teen isn't super interested in AI, but whenever they do feel curious they have their own account they can use on our home network. As far as chatting goes local models are more than capable for handling standard chat questions, doing research, helping troubleshoot problems etc. In fact it was an agent po…

What kind of machine is it running on ?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by wren6991 » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:15 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #51

wren6991 wrote: post #32

That's fine, I already cancelled my subscription after they admitted to using PEFT to selectively and silently make their models dumber when working in certain technical fields. [ref: section 1.5 of Mythos/Fable 5 system card, https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3... ] Maybe that was petty, but I was already looking for alternatives after the obvious angling for increased regulation and suppres…

What did you switch to?

GLM-5.2 meets my needs for "thinky" tasks, which for me is code and documentation reviews, technical chats and rubber ducking. (I've tried agentic coding and gone back to writing by hand; besides ethical and skill atrophy concerns, I mostly do hardware design and have not been satisfied with any model's RTL output.) API rates are cheaper than Haiku, with benchmarks around Opus 4.6. I've managed to run GLM-5.2 at home, very slowly, but still neat that this is possible. I personally find it less grating to talk to than Opus.

I use a local Qwen3.6-35B-A3B (@ Q4_K_XL) for my documentation search harness. It works well for its assigned task, which is:

- I dump in a bucket of PDFs and/or source code.

- I ask a question.

- Qwen greps, fuzzy-searches, views rendered PDF pages to check diagrams, possibly gives up and reads everything, and possibly gives up on that too and writes its own scraper with PyMuPDF in a Pyodide sandbox.

- Qwen gives me an answer consisting mostly of citations and links back into the source material.

This approach with local Qwen can extract useful answers from the Armv9-A manual, which at 17k pages is possibly too big for any context window. Qwen has just enough knowledge baked in to know what to search for and understand what it's looking at. A more knowledgeable model would be a waste because even Fable makes shit up, and I want citations, not hallucinations.

DeepSeek v4 Flash gets an honourable mention: somehow all three of fast, capable and cheap. Zero-data-retention providers are available for both GLM-5.2 and DSv4F. I trust OpenRouter ZDR about as much as I trust Anthropic ZDR, since I can audit neither.

Overall I don't miss my Claude subscription, but take what I say with a grain of salt. I was just a Pro subscriber, not a heavy user like some other folks here.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Post by extr » Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:16 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #147

extr wrote: post #141

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They are not going to let open weights models with zero restrictions exist dude. They will be regulated like guns, or probably closer to nerve gas or enriched uranium.

Only if you let them.

I don't know that I want to stop such a thing. It's good that nerve gas is banned. I don't want random people having access to easy-to-follow instructions to make COVID-29.