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Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

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Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#151
This is a good thing.

If you could anonymously proxy from anywhere to anywhere else, the internet would be region-lock-free and anonymous again, just like it was to support it's boom in 1999.

Good on these guys I say. When it becomes normalized, we can integrate these 'privacy proxies' into desktop and mobile OS's too.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#153

This is a good thing . If you could anonymously proxy from anywhere to anywhere else, the internet would be region-lock-free and anonymous again, just like it was to support it's boom in 1999. Good on these guys I say. When it becomes normalized, we can integrate these 'privacy proxies' into desktop and mobile OS's too.

Good point, hadn't thought at all of this kind of perspective. Though the fact it's some dodgy residential proxy provider that runs this stuff makes me feel like it isn't going to become available for something good.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#155

This is a good thing . If you could anonymously proxy from anywhere to anywhere else, the internet would be region-lock-free and anonymous again, just like it was to support it's boom in 1999. Good on these guys I say. When it becomes normalized, we can integrate these 'privacy proxies' into desktop and mobile OS's too.

So you think until someone breaks your door down because of something sent from your connection.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#156

Never ever connect your "Smart"-TV to your network, or if you have an incurable impulse to then make sure it's on a firewalled gateway-less VLAN. Take the money you save buying the thing (compared to what a profitable "dumb" version would cost) and buy a surplus corporate mini-workstation system, and slap LibreELEC/Kodi or whatever on it, and use that device as your "smart" device. No good for you can ever come from…

I connect every few months (with cable) to check for firmware updates and the like. Otherwise agree it stays offline.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#157

This is a good thing . If you could anonymously proxy from anywhere to anywhere else, the internet would be region-lock-free and anonymous again, just like it was to support it's boom in 1999. Good on these guys I say. When it becomes normalized, we can integrate these 'privacy proxies' into desktop and mobile OS's too.

Nah it’s messing up peoples home internet, and massively abused to perform denial of service attacks and scraping of web content by large AI companies who are otherwise blocked.

Your vision of a randomly-routed mesh internet overlay is also not very scalable bandwidth or latency wise.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#158
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Why? The only thing that's vaguely objectionable is the fact the consent screen's wording of "download public web data from the internet" omits important information on what's actually happening and the associated risks. Otherwise I'm not sure how you can come up with a principled justification of the ban beyond just "AI scrapers bad" or "hiding identity". Tor relays and VPNs are basically doing the same thing, excep…

Does there need to be a principled justification beyond that? I used to be on the side of the traffic, as in, it does not matter where traffic originates as long as it's not abusive. But the fact is that too many scrapers exist which are, in fact, bad. Their behavior is bad, their programming is bad, and they result in way too high costs for free infrastructure, thus they are morally bad. I expect AT&T and Comcast to…

Absolutely.

Bear in mind the scrapers wouldn’t need to use these proxies were they not being blocked by the sites they are scraping. So it’s being used to evade blocks.

For some content the level of scraping is outweighing real users, driving up costs and pushing them towards more closed models.

Wikipedia for example make content available free, if you start hammering the site they will rate limit you to keep the lights on. If you need the data fast in bulk they have a paid program to get it without scraping. But some prefer to neither adhere to reasonable request limits nor pay for their use of the infra; instead they choose to pay these grifters to avoid the rate limits.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the content hosting side (getting reamed by scrapers overloading infrastructure), the problem is that we have to be able to set "reasonable" ratelimits to share finite network uplink and server cpu resources between all of our real users and these scrapers. When you can identify the nature of the traffic (quickly in realtime, based on simple deterministic rules), you can protect the resources: you can rate/concu…

All the arguments you made applies to VPNs or tor as well. I'm sure rightsholders would be very happy if VPNs are banned, because that gets rid of one avenue for pirating with impunity. Same goes with every ad network ever, which has to fight click fraud.

VPN ranges at least are obvious so that’s different.

Tor less so but it doesn’t seem to be commonly used for this kind of abuse.

Re: Nearly half of LG smart TV apps contain residential proxy SDKs

#160

So is there a residential proxy blacklist I can run on my firewall? Any action I can take as an admin to put a stop to this?

It’s very tricky because the IPs are all on normal user ranges you can’t block without blocking those users.

The company behind this blog - spur.us - offer some paid services I think. There is also this project from Wikimedia which uses that data to produce more manageable lists:

https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/sre/CIDERGRINDER

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