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A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Re: A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Post by joe_mamba »

wjnc wrote: post #143
joe_mamba wrote: post #142

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>Sometimes I get a feeling many HN-ers work in ultra toxic environments. Many people in the world work in toxic environments, not just HNers. Especially when the jobs market is shit, people turn on each other like animals. >HR is not your friend Where did you work at that HR was your friends? Did they invite you for beers or visit you in hospital when you were sick? HR everywhere protect the company from liability, t…

You are right. Toxic workplaces are abundant. But non toxic I hope as well. I am always interested in how we can or cannot transfer local cultural differences and things we hold as basic truths via a forum. The second question: yes, in a time of need my manager and HR-consultant did indeed help me find appropriate psychological care. (And we also visit coworkers in the hospital.) This was part humanity, but also part…

>The second question: yes, in a time of need my manager and HR-consultant did indeed help me find appropriate psychological care. (And we also visit coworkers in the hospital.)

This is unfathomably rare. I hope you realize this just how lucky you are.

> But non toxic I hope as well.

This never happen to me and I live, on paper, in the most livable country in the world. All bosses only care about my performance, not my healthcare. The moment I got too many sick days, I got dismissed and sent off on welfare.

>This was part humanity,

But most employment relationships are exclusively transnational. You're only virtue is usefulness to the boss's bottom line, not your "humanity", as that can't be monetized, unless maybe you work in government, healthcare or NGOs.

Re: A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Post by goodmythical »

Sleaker wrote: post #30
alex1138 wrote: post #28

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Yes but AFAIUI Mitnick was upset Shimomura had the full weight of the police on his side, right? He used techniques that shouldn't have been available to him Interesting fact about Shimomura, he was a student of Feynman's

... All's fair in love and war?

Google says As Far As I Understand It.

Seems a distinction without a difference from the traditional AFAIK As Far As I Know.

Re: A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Post by Sleaker »

goodmythical wrote: post #152
Sleaker wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... All's fair in love and war?

Google says As Far As I Understand It. Seems a distinction without a difference from the traditional AFAIK As Far As I Know.

Sorry, I didn't quote the relavent section. My reply was not an attempt at translating the acronym, but replying to the context of being mad at using 'unfair tactics'

Re: A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Post by myrandomcomment »

billehunt wrote: post #58
nunley wrote: post #32

I'm going to defend Kevin here because I see a lot of comments from people I am sure have no valid reason to be hating on him. Kevin was particularly annoying because he never failed to penetrate a target. The reason that's annoying is it just takes one slip, one weak point, one inattentive admin and it's over. People will stay mad about that. I get it. But those who say he had no talent are just ignorant. His goal w…

Shawn and I worked together at Novell back when this was going down. It was fascinating at the time and more so in hindsight. FWIW, Shawn's a really good guy.

I can echo that sentiment. Shawn is a friend and a genuinely nice and interesting person.

Re: A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Post by [deleted] »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #81
nunley wrote: post #32

I'm going to defend Kevin here because I see a lot of comments from people I am sure have no valid reason to be hating on him. Kevin was particularly annoying because he never failed to penetrate a target. The reason that's annoying is it just takes one slip, one weak point, one inattentive admin and it's over. People will stay mad about that. I get it. But those who say he had no talent are just ignorant. His goal w…

> I am sure have no valid reason to be hating on him. TBF that's likely a symptom of social media and people commenting on things they don't know about with a bit too much confidence. You can see similar takes on snowden today. Back in the day (90s, 00s) he was both widely supported and a bit of a myth in the early Internet communities.

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Re: A man was gifted his dream car by Kevin Mitnick, who he helped put in prison

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Post by nunley »

abanana wrote: post #129
nunley wrote: post #55

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That's just nonsense. First of all, social engineering was a small part of his work, and it's OK that you don't know that. But your totally blatant ignorance of what his career covered is exactly what I'm talking about. Look, I know that people form their opinions in a bubble. All I am saying here is you should expand your bubble. You know nothing about Kev. Again, that's OK, but it also means you should try to under…

> social engineering was a small part of his work, and it's OK that you don't know that... totally blatant ignorance... Kev was a good person. Full stop. I understand you're defending your friend, but that's a little uncalled for. Personally, my first real knowledge of him was from his 2002 book The Art Of Deception , which is specifically a book about social engineering. That is how he himself chose to present himse…

I apologize for going off. I just get triggered when people make such assumptions. He did not see Kev working on extremely technical achievements, I am sure. I did. To say he was mostly a social engineer is just incorrect, and I overreacted. The fact that he wrote a book on it is fair, but I know a lot about beer brewing and could probably write a book on it, but it's just one thing I know.
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