A society whose individuals needs government laws to make good "choices" is probably doomed The only possible law is making bigco social media less addictive, and better controls for parents But maybe this is UK just exercising some soft power, since they have no tech to speak of
Then we've been doomed since we banned children from buying cigarettes, or even further back, since we banned children from having sex with adults. Do you really think banning those things made society worse?
The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents
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#152We’re raising a generation of completely emotionally detached robots. There’s something deeply wrong and unsettling, and it’s happening in plain daylight.
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#153All the pro-freedom arguments ring hollow and insincere to the wider world. From an outside perspective, the tech industry/community has repeatedly demonstrated that it's actually very pro-surveillance and child exploitation. From that same outside perspective, another argument of 'hey, we have to combat all attempts at protecting children to avoid surveillance' just sounds like self-serving lies. You can argue that…
I feel like if there's a bad actor... this kind of legislation just ignores it / the problem. Meanwhile kids will still find ways to do what they wish online and it will be hidden... adults exposed to these same bad actors.
This is the result of people no longer having any trust in people who claim to care for freedom while harming others; you can't keep drawing from a poisoned well.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like if there's a bad actor... this kind of legislation just ignores it / the problem. Meanwhile kids will still find ways to do what they wish online and it will be hidden... adults exposed to these same bad actors.
I don't think this legislation is perfect, but I think it's a response to the bad actors pretending for decades now that they were concerned about freedom while acting against it. This is the result of people no longer having any trust in people who claim to care for freedom while harming others; you can't keep drawing from a poisoned well.
Social media companies bad ... laws imposed by government on individuals who aren't the people doing bad things.
That's absurd.
Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents
#155Have you taken a look at kids nowadays? They look like fking zombies glued to their smartphones and wireless headphones. I go walk my dog, and not a single kid tries to play with it - only people of my age (40s) do. We’re raising a generation of completely emotionally detached robots. There’s something deeply wrong and unsettling, and it’s happening in plain daylight.
I see adults like you describe ...
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hacker News is a social media site, but not according to the UK government. According to the UK government, YouTube is a social media site.
Hacker News is a cancerous time-waste, no different from TikTok.
Haven't found a better place to waste your time?
Or maybe you need a new law enacted to help you?
Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents
#157All the pro-freedom arguments ring hollow and insincere to the wider world. From an outside perspective, the tech industry/community has repeatedly demonstrated that it's actually very pro-surveillance and child exploitation. From that same outside perspective, another argument of 'hey, we have to combat all attempts at protecting children to avoid surveillance' just sounds like self-serving lies. You can argue that…
Not trusting tech companies, or companies in general, is simply the correct attitude, so that's not happening.
I don't feel your typical person feels the tech industry is somehow "pro child exploitation" though. I'm not even sure how one could be in that camp, in practical terms.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you please edit out swipes from your HN comments, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Your comment would be fine without the first and last sentences.
I dunno, there's a definite tendency to say extreme and trivially falsifiable things on HN as if they were fact. I think those should be called out because they really derail rational discussion and encourage "us vs them" narratives. He is clearly exaggerating for effect so much that it doesn't make sense any more, and IMO that is what leads to unproductive debate. It should be called out as such. The last sentence i…
If you feel that someone else is posting incorrect information, it's sufficient to post correct information. Getting aggressive about it is unnecessary and damages the commons.
Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents
#159All the pro-freedom arguments ring hollow and insincere to the wider world. From an outside perspective, the tech industry/community has repeatedly demonstrated that it's actually very pro-surveillance and child exploitation. From that same outside perspective, another argument of 'hey, we have to combat all attempts at protecting children to avoid surveillance' just sounds like self-serving lies. You can argue that…
> If you want to argue against this kind of legislation, you need to repair a lot of lost trust first. Not trusting tech companies, or companies in general, is simply the correct attitude, so that's not happening. I don't feel your typical person feels the tech industry is somehow "pro child exploitation" though. I'm not even sure how one could be in that camp, in practical terms.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno, there's a definite tendency to say extreme and trivially falsifiable things on HN as if they were fact. I think those should be called out because they really derail rational discussion and encourage "us vs them" narratives. He is clearly exaggerating for effect so much that it doesn't make sense any more, and IMO that is what leads to unproductive debate. It should be called out as such. The last sentence i…
The phrase "call out" is already an indication that HN is not being used as intended ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). You can make your substantive points without any of this. If you feel that someone else is posting incorrect information, it's sufficient to post correct information. Getting aggressive about it is unnecessary and damages the commons.