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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

Or... use a protocol that hides packets in Minecraft traffic with out-of-band control through steganographic Discord audio. It's really slow, but its private.

How do you run that program if it's not on the app store and you can only run programs from the app store?

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#152
post #55
post #41

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You would be breaking numerous laws, your transmitters would be removed quickly, you would be out thousands of dollars in equipment, and no one would be on your network anyway. You would almost certainly go to jail if you tried this.

Not that quickly. Tracking down a low-power transmitter in an urban core is technically feasible but a lot of work. Police don't like doing work.

This one happens quickly.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#153
post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

The final defense is to stop having children. Then there's no one to think of.

Then we are the last generation and nothing matters. Sad, isn't it? I'm trying not to cry.

You know, there's an argument that if your soul/consciousness is occupying a randomly selected body (whatever that means - don't take it too literally) you'd expect to be occupying a body during the time when there are the most human bodies to occupy. 6% of all humans who were ever alive so far are alive right now.

It's not really rigorous because some consciousness has to occupy this body and that consciousness would make the same argument, but it's a weak inkling of an argument that the future probably has less humans than the present.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#154

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That was the obvious issue with all the blockchain smart contract stuff that was getting pushed previously. Any time it interacts with the physical world the blockchain goes out the window the moment on someone on the ground decides they don’t agree with it. Your cryptographically signed deed means nothing and can’t evict someone off the land.

There is little room for a property or money transfer system that leaves no avenue for legal recourse. And the DAO fork made it crystal clear why it was always just window dressing on the same social consensus game.

Sure there is, it's the one for people who are trying to avoid unjust legal recourse.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#155

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There is little room for a property or money transfer system that leaves no avenue for legal recourse. And the DAO fork made it crystal clear why it was always just window dressing on the same social consensus game.

Sure there is, it's the one for people who are trying to avoid unjust legal recourse.

I said little room, not no room. For most entities using crypto where legal recourse is a more realistic threat model than scammers/hackers it isn't the unjust kind they are so worried about.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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PGP

Good for protecting the message itself, but it does nothing for metadata. These days the metadata is what kills you. (Who talks to whom, when, and how often reveals enough to press the drone missile button, apparently.)

OpenPGP + SMTP as a starting point as email can reach many and Thunderbird makes OpenPGP happy clicky simple. The body includes instructions for the E2EE chat servers to use. Metadata trail ends there. Other circles of friends are joined in by other means. E2EE ejabberd (OTR+PGP+OMEMO) servers switched up after everyone is on the first outer layer of chat servers. Old servers are wiped. Of course all of this assumes nobody is silly enough to use a cell phone or all of this is futile. Everyone is using a laptop they paid cash for and a clean install of a generic minimal install of Linux and Coreboot running a script to make everything ephemeral and the OS nearly immutable. No security distros as they have all been infiltrated, just a vanilla simple Linux and a script.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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NB: Weber's definition of government (which your quote misstates, so to speak, as is often the case), is that the state is that entity which has the monopoly on the legitimate claim to violence. It's legitimacy , not violence , which is key. For the longer explanation, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37366751 >. That said, legitimacy is a political property, and one which cannot be attained through purely t…

Which itself is kind of a BS indoctrinated definition. Wind the clock back a few hundred years and there was plenty of legitimate non-government violence. The government didn't care if the well to do dueled, the townsfolk brawled in the bar, a serial fraudster got what was coming to them, etc, etc. Sure the government could choose to care and construe it's written rules to that effect if it chose but other than excep…

My argument isn't that Weber's definition is correct or accurate; that's a whole 'nother discussion.

It's that, to the level of a thought-stopping cliche, the definition is misstated with the emphasis on violence rather than legitimacy, which misses the whole point.

But Weber's claim is also nuanced:

- Non-government violence, if tolerated by the government, is then sanctioned by the government, and hence, government retains its monopoly on legitimacy. Again, the relevant monopoly is legitimacy. Not on who is acting with violence, but who finds that violence legitimate or illegitimate.

- Governmental violence, if deemed illegitimate by the population, means that the government no longer has legitimacy itself, and hence by Weber's definition is no longer a government (at least by his terms).

- If some other entity holds legitimacy over violence within a given area (say, a neighboring state, a local warlord, Great Power, partisan or resistance movement, corporate or commercial entity such as, say, the British East India Company), then that entity is effectively the government, again, by Weber's definition. As an example, Mohandas Gandhi's ahimsa movement successfully challenged British imperial rule not by claiming violence for itself, but by successfully claiming the principle of nonviolence. The Empire was delegitimated in the process.

- And finally, if no one institution can successfully claim legitimacy of violence within a region, then there is no government. The region is effectively stateless.

There may well be other constructs, situations may be fluid (changing with time or over space), effective control units may be small (city-states, tribes), etc.., but you can generally find a Weberian projection in such cases.

Again, I've raised this point numerous times on HN, largely due to the widespread misrepresentation of Weber. Often, I suspect, by people who have no idea that they're employing a corrupted version of his definition in the first place. I encourage you to look through my earlier discussions to see if your further objections aren't already addressed there: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...>.

Prior discussion points to where the misleading restatement seems to have originated, more on the elements of Weber's definition as applied to various situations, Weber's original work, and translation into English which didn't occur until the 1950s, followed shortly by the bastardised variant taking hold.

I also strongly recommend British political historian David Runciman's own views on this definition, which I'd first encountered well after forming my own. They're expressed in this episode of his podcast Talking Politics: https://play.acast.com/s/history-of-ideas/weberonleadership> (at about 15 minutes).

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#159
post #130

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Which technology caused the French revolution?

The printing press and the guillotine.

So the guillotine (15th century [1]) and printing press (invented in 1440) [2] precipitated the French Revolution (1789)[3]?

It’s a theory for sure.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing_press

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#160
post #144

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You want the internet to be engineered so you will be able to MITM traffic?

That's already a thing. One can install Squid on their router, generate a CA cert, sign their server certs with it and install the CA into all the devices in the home. It's called Squid SSL Bump. [1] A small handful of sites still use public key pinning and will have to be added to exclusions in the configuration. The router must then be configured to only allow Squid HTTPS, Unbound DNS and Chrony NTP out to the inte…

Apps have cert pinning. What now?
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