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10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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I feel like we have moved into the era now where if you were putting cabling in the walls for networking you should be choosing fibre now. Not necessarily because we are definitely at the stage where the home needs it, but because the off ramp is clearly happening for ethernet at 10gbit/s and its really high consumption and heat. Switching to fibre after 2.5gbit/s seems like the thing to do now and plenty of us now h…

I did just that relatively recently in a house we bought. OS2 single mode duplex throughout the house, all converging to a trunk which is available in three locations for equipment. It's basically future proof, but also has its own well, things. You can't really plug into a duplex (I wish though), you have to put a small switch to it with SFP+ or 28 or whatever the speed you want. Higher speed switches are also a tad…

> OS2 single mode duplex throughout the house, all converging to a trunk which is available in three locations for equipment.

What do you mean by "trunk which is available in three locations"?

Usually cabling is home-run to a single, central patch panel. A cable (fibre, copper) would usually have one end in a room's wall outlet, with the other end at a patch panel: how would you have a cable one end at three locations? Do you have three patch panels? I.e., three hubs, with the room cables going to one hub and then you can have hub-to-hub runs?

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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> Ethernet is dead for home usage. If you need internet for work related audio/video conferencing, and you share your screen, wired is the way to go. Over time you can tell which colleagues are on wireless and those that are wired in. Perhaps you're making the case that wifi7 is as good or better than wired but I would argue that depends on your physical setup and possible interference issues.

Please tell me what your ISP is. I don't even have 300mb upload in the San Francisco Bay area.

lol, I have 40 megabit upload

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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At 10g, sfp+ switches are cheaper and more available than 10gbase-T switches. Fiber transceivers seem reasonable, but I could be off; I've only looked a little at fiber prices, I already have cat5 in the wall, so I'm on DAC for nearby stuff and twisted pair for other rooms for the forseable future. I don't really need 10G, but it provides a bit of fun.

for shorter runs you might even get 10G on cat5.

Yes, I have 10g over cat5. I don't need it, but I have it.

Ethernet specs are for cabling in dense conduit. Most people don't have dense conduit in their house. Much cable tests better than the rating on the jacket.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

#154

I feel like we have moved into the era now where if you were putting cabling in the walls for networking you should be choosing fibre now. Not necessarily because we are definitely at the stage where the home needs it, but because the off ramp is clearly happening for ethernet at 10gbit/s and its really high consumption and heat. Switching to fibre after 2.5gbit/s seems like the thing to do now and plenty of us now h…

I'd settle for 1 Gbps with a real IP address (UK)

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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I mean.. cat8 already exists but it will never be common because most people who dont make home networking a hobby just use wifi. Hell many many people now a days own only a tablet and phone and no desktop/laptop at all. Someone else in this thread mentioned motherboards with SFP ports on them and I cant believe that will ever be common because people can barely handle the many flavours of cables using USB C, how are…

Server boards typically use SFP, and for typical consumers you’re 100% correct that wifi is all that matters.

For sure, I was thinking consumer desktop motherboards.

Even server boards often have their SFP in daughter boards specific to the chassis.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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I did just that relatively recently in a house we bought. OS2 single mode duplex throughout the house, all converging to a trunk which is available in three locations for equipment. It's basically future proof, but also has its own well, things. You can't really plug into a duplex (I wish though), you have to put a small switch to it with SFP+ or 28 or whatever the speed you want. Higher speed switches are also a tad…

Why not multi-mode? The transceivers are a lot cheaper, especially for 100G and above.

Doing the cabling job was a weekend long project for me, I just never want to have to do that again (yes yes I should have run conduit and pull strings, but single mode just means I didn't have to even do that)

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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why not use fiber directly and use whatever sfp for much cheaper without worry of heat

DAC cables can get expensive, and nobody knows what to buy when it comes to fiber, unless you're running entire spools of the stuff inside buildings... OM3/OM4/OM5? Single mode/Multi mode? LC/SC? Regular people don't know this stuff...

I gotta say this is the kind of stuff that LLMs make trivial to answer these days.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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Cheap, low-heat 10G copper is already here. RTL8127 NIC is under $50, $200 nets you a quality 4x switch (CRS304-4XG-IN).

I wish multiple-port 10G PCIe cards with this chip were available. I would immediately upgrade by Debian router from 2.5G to 10G. At the very least I would need a dual NIC.

I've been eyeing the "10G PCI-E Network Card with 10Gbps Dual RJ45" on Amazon. Does that not cover what you're asking for?

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: switching to a Broadcom SFP+ module

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What for? Ethernet is what you ultimately need, because that is what devices such as PCs and WiFi access points use. I experimented with SFP for a while, but ultimately concluded that it isn't worth the effort to add SFP cards to PCs now that that low-power 10G Ethernet chips like the RTL8127 are available. High-end motherboards already have 10G Ethernet and soon lower-end models will too. 2.5G is practically standar…

My APs are fiber now.

I expect my APs will be the last things to convert away from copper because of the need for power. (I just deployed new WiFi 7 APs with 10G PoE++ links.)
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