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Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Next you'll tell me that doing something at cost as a public service is somehow better than getting the same thing but with a 20% margin tacked on for the shareholders.

The hard part is that when you have a few companies competing to do something, they very quickly start doing it for less money than government does because they innovate to compete with each other. You can take a snapshot in time and pretend cutting 20% off the top is worth it, but by the time you do the political organization you've usually lost the plot. Plus all of the mechanics of taxation and bureaucracy are usu…

That can be true in some cases, for sure. For example we probably don't want government-run fast food or government-run rental cars because of that "race to the bottom" you're citing. But there are also things where that 20% margin actually makes it more expensive. Managing utility poles and electrical infrastructure is a pretty good example. There's a strong public interest in having poles and electrical wiring in every house, and so a government monopoly is probably good. You're not going to have more than one electrical system in an area, and if you did it would substantially increase cost of delivery. Roads are another good example -- you're not going to find yourself in possession of more than one driveway to your house and pay differing prices for different driveways. You could also argue that things like healthcare, education, and maintenance of shared public spaces is also something we should probably do through government because consolidated physical infrastructure allows us to substantially reduce the cost to the taxpayer versus what they will pay out of pocket when these things are privatized, and you can experience those costs when you use for-profit public spaces like indoor play parks and such. And then the elimination of that profit motive absolutely does reduce costs even further. There are examples of this you can look at where IE emergency services are privatized and they immediately get more expensive for everyone and with less actual service provided.

I think it will greatly benefit politics in the US to stop looking at this tension between government services and private services as all or nothing and start thinking about what is most beneficial to the public economically.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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An individual report of a data center and no statistics. For the third time - where are you getting that 60-80% number? What is the source of that information?

You have the tools to synthesize all the public information about this right at your fingertips!

You've done everything but cite the source of your claim that "[by] capacity it's trending from around 60% now to 80% by 2030".

I wasn't born yesterday dude, it's obvious you're deflecting. You cited a sloptistic generated by an LLM. Take the L.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Because it's pretty evident that all these data centers are primarily intended to eliminate jobs and make more trillionaires and destroy democracy, and the positive stuff (like solving unsolved math problems) doesn't remotely justify that.

If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut

Well, call me when any of those things happen and I'll happily eat crow.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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> Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"? Oligarchs (trillionares and billionaires as they get called in the US) are fundamentally incompatible with democracy.

You can use the word fundamentally all you want, it doesn't make it true. Explain _why_.

Because when all the financial power, lobbying, advertising, housing, manufacturing, media etc. is controlled by a handful of oligarchs, it doesn't much matter what way people vote. Too much of the power is owned by the oligarchs rather than the voting public. That's why oligarchies and democracies are fundamentally incompatible.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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> Once you start from destroying democracy This is too unrealistic a statement. Democracy in the US has had some destruction wrought on it since the media started believing that activism and opinion journalism were more important than facts, and that change is the goal of journalism. That's a massive blow to democracy - far greater than anything happening today. We are living in its results. > Autocracies are, in pra…

The notion that Mussolini made the trains run on time is a myth, a bit of state propaganda.

That is a fair point. Not the first time someone's corrected me on that and I need to stop using it.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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I'm not an AI booster, nor an AI detractor. I like tech and progress. I'm mortified at the possibility of a data centre being built next to me at some point in the future [1]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo

That video is completely fake btw. https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center...

You can literally hear the 24h whir of the data centres, what are you talking about?

Dude wrote an essay around infrasound being pseudoscience and chose to ignore the obvious, audible, constant hum.

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