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Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by Hammershaft »

spott wrote: post #114
jstummbillig wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Which products are outstanding in their categories? Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding. They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be j…

Has hacker news lost it?

Maps & Gmail & Search all have plenty of accumulating flaws... but they also completely defined their product category and today are among the most popular software products ever made.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by stevesimmons »

BeetleB wrote: post #134
spott wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which products are outstanding in their categories? Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding. They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be j…

What's wrong with Maps?

... 20 years of not remembering that I only ever want to see distances in km

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by SllX »

adi_kurian wrote: post #128
BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #121

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> Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding They were at the time.

Is there a better Maps app? I guess those gaussian splats on Apple Maps could be p. neat.

No. I just switched away from Apple Maps too when they added ads.

If I’m dealing with adware either way, may as well use the best.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by deathanatos »

jstummbillig wrote: post #108
newobj wrote: post #99

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Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

I think both can be true. Google has a history of annoying churn while still being good enough (or just … being large enough) that switching to competitors is still too high a cost for most.

For example, their "chat" app has churned 3? 4? times now? Their assistant app has churned from whatever the OG assistant was to now Gemini. Wave churned to "+" in the social category, and that's dead now.

The default placement in Android probably helps a lot, or other things, like forced signups into adjacent products (e.g., like + was doing for a while).

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by Auracle »

BeetleB wrote: post #134
spott wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which products are outstanding in their categories? Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding. They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be j…

What's wrong with Maps?

I find Apple's Maps directions to be slightly better, nowadays. They're more intuitive.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by oytis »

spott wrote: post #114
jstummbillig wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Which products are outstanding in their categories? Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding. They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be j…

Search has degraded for sure, but still better than anything else? Maps - I guess you mean Apple ones are better? Can't tell, I am not on Apple, but if you don't use Apple products, there are not many alternatives to Google maps

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by robotresearcher »

7tythr33 wrote: post #133
jstummbillig wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

An email client (Gmail app) that is 500mb? What’s _outstanding_ about that? Almost everything Google makes now is terrible. Try some alternatives.

Honest question: what's a candidate for better? The search needs to be really good, as that was always a strong point for Gmail.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by nerdsniper »

deathanatos wrote: post #154
jstummbillig wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

I think both can be true. Google has a history of annoying churn while still being good enough (or just … being large enough) that switching to competitors is still too high a cost for most. For example, their "chat" app has churned 3? 4? times now? Their assistant app has churned from whatever the OG assistant was to now Gemini. Wave churned to "+" in the social category, and that's dead now. The default placement i…

> For example, their "chat" app has churned 3? 4? times now?

I believe they’ve had at least 58 different products with chat / messaging.

https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/s2s2ld/all_of_googl...

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by NateEag »

comboy wrote: post #123
fasterik wrote: post #53

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Not only did they decide to write a terminal application in React, but it's 500K lines of code. It's strange because I'm sure Claude is capable of writing a decent TUI in C. It says a lot about the engineering culture at Anthropic, at least on the software side.

Oh, a nice subthread place to vent. Their CLI is so f tragic that it is ridiculous. It keeps scrambling the terminal, scroll and basic shortcuts keep breaking, I've used so many tuis and terminal apps and many of them are a single man operation and a side project and I have never seen anything so bad. If I didn't know from experience that directed properly claude can be powerful, knowing that they used it to create t…

I could not agree more that Claude itself is a janky, hacky, crappy piece of software.

When management at $DAYJOB brought the hammer down and said, "Everyone has to use genAI all the time, OR ELSE," I expected to be blown away by the tool I was avoiding due to ethical concerns, aesthetic objections, humanism, and long-term thinking.

I was born away, but not in a good way.

The CLI is _bad_. I've seen it randomly fail to render anything at all on the terminal multiple times. It has a vim-mode, but it's painfully buggy, and I can literally outrun it - if I try to type too quickly after hitting Esc for normal mode, it just doesn't return to normal mode. It's I was keeping track of the bugs in the Claude TUI, but gave up because it was taking _too much of my time_ to do so.

If nothing else, I'd say Claude shows convincingly that success is not the default for vibecoding.

Yes, it technically does the job, and no, I don't think I've ever used a worse TUI.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Post by abeyer »

procone wrote: post #25
HypnoticOcelot wrote: post #16

"without no way" of stopping it?

Incredibly insightful. Not everyone speaks English as a first language. On top of that, the title is not ambiguous.

...and if a title is incorrect and says the opposite of what's intended, by way of a language misunderstanding or otherwise, it's helpful to note that and get it corrected.
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