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Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by ValentineC »

ant6n wrote: post #106
lmm wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the season. "Everyday" was a poor choice of word, but 35+ wet bulb temperatures happen and are to some extent routine and expected.

Singapore is not mentioned in the wiki article on wet bulb temperature. And given that the maximum ever temperature in Singapore is 35-36 for most months, I doubt that a wet bulb temperature of 35+ is common.

The wet bulb temperature went as high as 34.2ºC today, at 2:30pm:

https://api-open.data.gov.sg/v2/real-time/api/weather?api=wb...

(Search for "high".)

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Post by mathgeek »

babymetal wrote: post #114
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #87

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I hope some record of us stays so whoever comes next would be able to learn from our stupidity. Yeah, and eternal shame is all we deserve.

I started reading history hoping to learn how to avoid the mistakes of the past, and instead came to the conclusion that history inexorably repeats itself, over a cycle just long enough for the current generation to forget the last event. (I'm trying to indicate similar kinds of mistakes in judgment, the details are always different of course.)

> I started reading history hoping to learn how to avoid the mistakes of the past

It's a noble pursuit, but the key part for you is that you _wanted_ to avoid those mistakes and put forth an effort to learn how to. The necessity, in order to truly avoid them, is that enough individuals collectively desire and pursue that. It's why (good) public education is so important for the long term health of societies.

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Post by baq »

actionfromafar wrote: post #17
baq wrote: post #12

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two things can be true at the same time. oil and coal before it pulled billions of people out of extreme poverty, but the debt taken on in terms of CO2 will come due. if the gulf stream stops, we're all in for a ride - or worse, our grandchildren. I'm personally in the 'drill and burn as fast as possible in a mad rush to fusion power' camp so we get a way to fix this shit rather than the 'stop civilization from doing…

But then why not "mad rush to build battery banks everywhere" instead of "mad rush to fusion power"? It can't very well be any more expensive. Batteries give returns right now, fusion only in the future. Maybe.

Oh we definitely need batteries, too, regardless of fusion ever coming online or not.

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Post by blntechie »

the_real_cher wrote: post #66
ares623 wrote: post #50

If you are reading this in your climate controlled northern hemisphere room, be reminded that the people suffering this are not just going to disappear, and they will need to live somewhere, somehow, and they will be more motivated than you will ever be. If you love your "western comfort" so much, the best thing you can do is to make sure other people than yourselves can also have a bare minimum of living conditions.

There needs to be a population decline in these places where living conditions are not amenable to human existence. Yet somehow theres over a billion people.

This is a lazy comment.

India's TFR just reached 1.9 which is below replacement rate.. The state I live in with 60m people has 1.5-1.6 TFR and still going down rapidly towards Japan and South Korea level of population decline. This will be seen in the coming decades.

But you can't just go and delete the billions of people already born and are living. You can't change demographics in a day or even a decade.

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Post by gpvos »

sltkr wrote: post #148
gpvos wrote: post #136

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In what way does it do that? It in fact strongly urges people to take responsibility and stop being hypocritical.

You're not taking the comic at face value are you? The orange shirt guy is supposed to be the loser who is just trying to "gotcha" the people in the other panels. The comic isn't even _always_ wrong; sometimes people are using gotchas or accusations of hypocrisy to dismiss otherwise valid concerns. Importantly, just because someone is a hypocrite, that doesn't mean they're wrong. But in practice, the comic is often u…

The number of straw men in your post is dazzling.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Post by ant6n »

ValentineC wrote: post #151
ant6n wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singapore is not mentioned in the wiki article on wet bulb temperature. And given that the maximum ever temperature in Singapore is 35-36 for most months, I doubt that a wet bulb temperature of 35+ is common.

The wet bulb temperature went as high as 34.2ºC today, at 2:30pm: https://api-open.data.gov.sg/v2/real-time/api/weather?api=wb... (Search for "high".)

WBGT != WBB

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Post by jyounker »

ralph84 wrote: post #62
jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

Humanity is a blip in Earth's history. We'll be a historical curiosity to whatever comes next just like the dinosaurs are to us.

If you're talking about deep time, sure, but I'm referring to actual human historical timescales of a few tens to a few hundreds of years.
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