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How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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I don't think so. I had a transplant and I'd like being told I look better bald. I can always shave my head. "You looked better with hair" when you've gone bald is the hurtful one.

Men can wear the bald look if it comes down to it. It's women that I feel really bad for.

Some men can. Unfortunately, a full head of hair looks better the vast majority of the time.

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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Turkey has reasonably good health care by any metric, what are you talking about?

Globally ranks along Poland, Belarus, and Albania. Having first hand experience in one of them the only advantage of healthcare from this league is "it somehow exists, sometimes".

"Bad health care" is what you have in Peru with nonexistent state services and thoroughly incompetent doctors. Turkey's is middle-of-the-road, which is actually pretty decent for a lot of the life-saving interventions for mainstream diseases. The life expectancy is three years lower than the EU, which is, again, not bad by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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I did it a few years ago when I was living in Istanbul. One evening, a friend of mine wouldn't shut up about the procedure. I ended up booking it almost on a whim, mostly just to prove him wrong. I did the transplant the next day. In the end, I was very happy with the results. I think it cost around 1500$. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/olalonde/olalonde.github.c...

Which doctor/clinic did you go to?

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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Let me be clear: hormone suppression is not a "side effect" it is the effect. Ironically, the side effect is the hair growth. Edit: systemic effect is not 0% even with topical, enters your bloodstream nonetheless. To respond to the guy marketing below (HN limiting replies).

Most men won't care if hormones on their scalp are suppressed

Bro, side effects include breast cancer and psychosis.

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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If you're considering this, what I learned during my hair transplant journey may be useful. There are a variety of surgical techniques to address hair loss including different kinds and degrees of transplants and scalp reductions. Most hair loss progresses over many years until it eventually reaches a stable state. A big part of getting optimal results is identifying your kind of hair loss, where you are in the progression and correctly estimating how it will continue - then matching the proper technique or combination of techniques.

Some less-than-ideal outcomes are from mismatching the procedure(s) to the patient or doing too much too early in the loss period. If the progression occurs differently than expected after the procedure the outcome can become unbalanced. A few patients can be one-and-done but for many patients multiple steps over time can increase the odds of optimal outcomes. Generally, you should NOT push for one-and-done unless you're that rare candidate. Figuring out the pattern, progression and matching the correct plan of attack is where the experience and diligence of the practitioner matter most.

While a lot of hair loss clinics market the 'artistry' of their doctors, the reality is that performing the procedures tends to be fairly rote. My eventual outcome was great, but I totally lucked into it. It was still the late 90s when my hair loss progressed from "just some thinning" to the early stages of "have you considered a comb-over?" I went to a clinic and was told I was most likely early in a 'full loss' progression and that I'd probably need more than one scalp reduction before even starting transplants. They also advised waiting more than a year between scalp reductions for optimal results.

I was disappointed because I'd been hoping to walk in and walk out a few hours later with "Brad Pitt hair." But just having turned 30, I was feeling insecure about my hair, still dating and looking for "The One." So I signed up and insisted the surgeon "go big" on the first scalp reduction. The procedure itself was fine but the week-long recovery kicked my ass and for several months afterward my scalp felt stretched to the limit. To be fair, they did fully warn me on all this, I just hadn't taken it seriously enough. As I recovered, I decided it just wasn't worth it and gave up on the hair thing.

After it had settled for a year, the one big scalp reduction did improve things back to "just thinning" but eventually the loss progressed (as I was warned it would). But I'd already decided "it is what it is". Fortunately, it turns out when I met "The One" a couple years later she didn't care about my hair (despite being, according to my friends, waaaay out of my league) :-). Jump forward another ~20 years and my now-wife is seeing a plastic surgeon for C-section scar removal and mentions "If you still care, they do hair transplants."

Thanks to the now-ancient mega-scalp reduction, my hair never reached "full loss" but it'd stopped somewhere deep in comb-over territory. I didn't care that much but decided to do a consult anyway. Based on my unique history, the doc asked for year-by-year photos to gauge how things had progressed since the scalp reduction (photos from kid birthday parties worked well). Turns out that doing the mother-of-all scalp reductions and waiting ~20 years to reach full progression was, accidentally, the perfect plan. Now the target was clear, unmoving and reduced enough they could nail it in a one-and-done transplant by taking ALL the donor hair - which is rare. Most procedures are done on patients still in progression, but each patient only has a limited amount of donor hair, so they don't 'harvest' all of it because some will be needed later in the progression. They just don't know exactly where yet.

So I did it and ~5 years later, it still looks perfect. The procedure took most of a day but was pretty easy. The interesting part was the top-notch, deeply experienced plastic surgeon didn't do the procedure herself. It was done by two sub-contractor technicians who travel from clinic to clinic over a multi-state area doing nothing but transplants all day, every day. The doc explained its really best because they can do it very well and fast (apparently speed in parts of the procedure can improve the follicle survival rate). Of course, she checked in during the day and was on-hand in case anything went wrong. You don't need Sully Sullenberger in the cockpit on every milk run, as long as he's there on the rare flight that ends in the Hudson River.

tl;dr In my experience, once you have a skilled assessment, correctly matched procedure(s) and plan of attack, then using lower cost technicians to do the actual procedure should be fine - as long as there's an experienced back-stop available in the event of an "unscheduled water landing" (do 737s have scheduled water landings)? My only other concern would be ensuring they don't harvest too much, too early from some patients. Doing so would probably lift their 90-day customer satisfaction but at the expense of nefing 10-year C-Sat. To be fair, that could happen at pricier U.S. clinics too (my technicians had both started in those places and we got to gossiping over that long day).

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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Wayne Rooney lost his strength, motivation and creativity directly after his hair transplant. Some speculate the pills you need to take forever afterwards mess up your hormones. It's not worth it just to look good for women and "impressing" other people. His body turned into a fat womens body.

There are no pills to take afterwards, except perhaps painkillers. Some people who are balding chose to take finasteride but it's unrelated to the procedure itself.

> Some people who are balding chose to take finasteride but it's unrelated to the procedure itself.

Couldn't that be the pills Wayne took?

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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Do you have to take any medications/follow-ups forever to keep it in place or is a one and done kind of procedure?

No medications or follow ups required. The transplanted hair follicles are harvested from a region of the scalp (the donor area) that is genetically immune to hair loss, meaning they are permanent. However, you will continue to lose the non-transplanted native hair around them as baldness progresses. So some people choose to take finasteride and/or minoxidil to maintain their existing hair (I personally don't).

You don’t? Are you okay with what it’ll look like once you lose the hair behind your transplant? Folks who get a HT who don’t get on meds will have a weird crescent hairline and then no hair behind it. Feels like at that point just don’t get the transplant in the first place.

Re: How turkey hacked the hair-transplant industry

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Globally ranks along Poland, Belarus, and Albania. Having first hand experience in one of them the only advantage of healthcare from this league is "it somehow exists, sometimes".

"Bad health care" is what you have in Peru with nonexistent state services and thoroughly incompetent doctors. Turkey's is middle-of-the-road, which is actually pretty decent for a lot of the life-saving interventions for mainstream diseases. The life expectancy is three years lower than the EU, which is, again, not bad by any stretch of the imagination.

If you don't fall through the cracks because of cronyism, corruption, or neglect it's somehow helpful with mainstream diseases. That's the level of healthcare.

Life expectancy in these regions is mostly from diet, lifestyle, avoiding wars, and at times from avoiding the healthcare actually.

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