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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Right, but if you bought office 2000 it was established that you would get to keep using office 2000 for as long as you wanted

There are probably still a minority using Office 2000 out there, because it still does everything they need.

For a while I had installed in wine for frontpage

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

You didn't start using libreoffice.org like 15 years ago?

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This could be class action worthy..

Ah, sadly the license forbids that, or even individual suit. Only arbitration.

That’s essentially equivalent for claims like this. File an arbitration claim. Let Microsoft pay. If even a few thousand customers do this, it’s about as painful as a class action lawsuit, which anyway gets eaten up mostly by legal costs.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

#155

This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

You didn't start using libreoffice.org like 15 years ago?

Most companies didn't, no.

Just because alternatives exist for some people some of the time does not mean Office is worthless, or that buying it isn't rational.

(Though buying it starts to look a lot less rational when things like this happen.)

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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The best company to do Microsoft in is Microsoft. They are responsible for awesome sales of MacBook Neo.

As the old adage goes, "the day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners"

This is so true! I've never seen a software company more disgusting than MS.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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And this won't be their first time breaking Australian Consumer Law... Twelve months ago no less! https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/microsoft-in-court-for... The ACCC is going to love this.

Every time someone imagines a country going after Microsoft in a serious way these days, I wonder how much that country's government depends on Microsoft software and cloud infrastructure, and if that country imagines Microsoft would continue to allow them to use such things if they become an enemy of Microsoft in court.

Microsoft won't get very far as a business if it starts thinking it's above the law and cuts off half the rich world as customers. Their goal, at the end of the day, is to make money. I don't know what kind of weird projection power fantasy roleplaying is going on in your head, but Microsoft is not going to cut off Australia even if they are made to honour this petty little clause that will not actually cost them anything. And even if it did, it wouldn't really matter. It's a relationship of convenience. A country can figure out an alternative if it really mattered, MS is not integral in any way, using it is just the path of least resistance. Something like ASML embargoing a country would actually be a threat, but Microsoft is very replaceable.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

> Microsoft is the enemy

This made me smile, sadly. I remember when Microsoft was the new darling not many years ago, because of VS Code and WSL and the apparent goodwill about open source. Some people and I, who lived through all of Microsoft, were skeptical and believed that it was only another embrace phase of their EEE pattern. I'm not sure if they are extinguishing something but it turns out that they are squeezing money out of the pockets of their users now.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Use libreoffice, its good for the occasions you need actual office software instead of latex

Agreed, and before the naysayers start chiming in, I wrote my whole dissertation in LibreOffice Writer without any issues. LibreOffice is fine. My one and only gripe is that the resume templates are sorely lacking, but that's a community issue, not a software one.

Same, though technically I started it on OpenOffice before LO was a thing. Sent material back and forth with supervisors who all used Word, etc. just fine too, and LO has only improved in the past few years.
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