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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by larodi »

innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

Second order effects should enumerated and reasoned about. This companion perspective is perhaps only one, but very strong indeed

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by jvanderbot »

yayitswei wrote: post #133
jvanderbot wrote: post #18

Its classic HN to dismiss the emotional cost of change as sunk cost stages of grief. A person is allowed to love their work and miss deep understanding, and allowed to be nostalgic for a preferred way of working. It's human and everything they have shared in this post is unequivocally true about software dev and moving into a career, arguably even before LLMs took over. What I mean is that the thrilling buddy system…

What if you could finish your passion project in an evening? Would that increase not the time, but capacity for deep exploring and side projects?

Only if having a set of competed projects is what makes you happy. Some love learning and overcoming challenges.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by jdw64 »

innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by wat10000 »

kibwen wrote: post #124
abejfehr wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think probably actually. The fittest people back then probably weren't as fit as people today with specialized diets and medical science, and surely those findings were a result of better equipment, which were a result of better tooling to manufacture that equipment. Introducing a machine to a manufacturing role obviously makes the manufacturer less fit, but it enables society to break through fitness barriers in g…

Considering developed societies with access to those specialized diets and medical science, the median person is definitely not stronger than the median person from a pre-industrial society, even taking malnutrition and injury into account. It seems you've never tried to arm-wrestle a farmer before.

Have you tried to arm-wrestle a subsistence farmer who saw multiple bad harvests growing up?

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by EpiMath »

quaintdev wrote: post #130
kibwen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> take human intelligence to another pinnacle I see no indication that current human intelligence is at anything close to a historical pinnacle. Human knowledge, yes, but intelligence? No. Collectively, we're dumb and trending dumber, and the tendency towards lazy thoughtlessness which AI engenders will accelerate that trend.

Whenever this topic comes up I am reminded of the black and white picture of all the scientist of 19th century together. Each individual in that photo had contributed something to human knowledge. It feels like in 19th century we believed in our scientists and advancing our knowledge. I feel today celebrities are given more importance than our scientists. The best minds of our century are focused on extracting value…

Perhaps you are thinking of the 1927 Solvay Conference? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solvay_conference_1927.jp...

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by mr_mitm »

quaintdev wrote: post #130
kibwen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> take human intelligence to another pinnacle I see no indication that current human intelligence is at anything close to a historical pinnacle. Human knowledge, yes, but intelligence? No. Collectively, we're dumb and trending dumber, and the tendency towards lazy thoughtlessness which AI engenders will accelerate that trend.

Whenever this topic comes up I am reminded of the black and white picture of all the scientist of 19th century together. Each individual in that photo had contributed something to human knowledge. It feels like in 19th century we believed in our scientists and advancing our knowledge. I feel today celebrities are given more importance than our scientists. The best minds of our century are focused on extracting value…

You probably mean the Solvay conference. I just wanted to append this link to your comment: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/So...

It really is a remarkable picture, but I'd like to note that it's all physicists, not scientists in general. It was the golden era of physics.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by shermantanktop »

nzealand wrote: post #150
innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

AI is your Google and your yellow rubber ducky (rubber duck debugging) all rolled into one.

Absolutely. It can also be your brain if you let it, so…don’t let it.

It’s an absolutely fantastic educational tool if you choose to use it that way.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by moralestapia »

gausswho wrote: post #144
moralestapia wrote: post #136

“So leave me behind.” That’s easy to say for someone in their 50s who built wealth under favorable conditions. But it’s quite ignorant and inhumane to say that to someone in their 20s who is just starting their career. Too bad to see these boomer antics continue to be perpetuated.

The second sentence of TFA: "I learned to build Android applications in 2014. I was in college taking a Java programming class". So this person's twelve years out of college. You may want to train your fire elsewhere.

???

But that's exactly my point. He got twelve good years out of it.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by stasomatic »

furyman wrote: post #4

Mario Savio said a few lines when the industrial revolution peaked: There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious Makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels Upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you've got to make it stop And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to t…

Why do we need to promote intelligence? If we are all “intelligent”, what is the difference? At best, we have about 50 healthy years on this rock. I do think myself “intelligent”, relatively, but also that the notion is overrated. I want to be dumb and carefree, I’d rather bike, shoot some arrows at the sky, eat some escargot and die in my sleep when it’s time. Instead, we must toil and research nursing homes.
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