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Building Pi with Pi

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Re: Building Pi with Pi

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Post by tinodb »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #118
CharlieDigital wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not worth switching to Pi except as a hobbyist. Something that is overlooked: the mainstream harnesses have a huge advantage in telemetry and datapoints to use to improve the harness. They have internal teams building the tooling. They have tight integration built-in with their own backends (e.g. optimizing for caching). Are you tinkering? Or trying to build something useful? If you're trying to build something…

And yet Pi has done a few things that were quite transformational. A lot of recent agentic libraries explicitly credit Pi for design ideas. We’re so early in this technology phase, now is the time to tinker and explore. At one point that window will close.

Which design ideas are those? (Asking out of curiosity, happy pi user here!)

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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Post by JosefAlbers »

tinodb wrote: post #151
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet Pi has done a few things that were quite transformational. A lot of recent agentic libraries explicitly credit Pi for design ideas. We’re so early in this technology phase, now is the time to tinker and explore. At one point that window will close.

Which design ideas are those? (Asking out of curiosity, happy pi user here!)

One example: earlier versions of my mlx-code's harness layer were largely a Python port/adaptation of Pi.

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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Post by Sammi »

burakemir wrote: post #119

Since nobody mentioned it, there was a lovely children's book called the clanker. It was about some creature that made metallic noises unlike the other creatures. The moral of the story was one of diversity and inclusion, making space for differences. My aversion with the word is that I don't want to be reminded of that clanker creature, which had feelings it wanted to express. The weights don't have feelings. My wor…

What we need is a new made up word with a clean etymology.

For such a word to gain traction, we need it to be promoted by someone with clout in the AI space. I don't know if Karpathy has used up his quota of invention of AI nomenclature.

The Simpsons made up "cromulent" with their own definition. Anyone can make up a word with their own definition. Getting it to catch on is the hard part (obligatory "stop trying to make fetch happen" reference).

Re: Building Pi with Pi

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Post by klooney »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #113
meowface wrote: post #82

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Codex and Claude Code store all this too. Lately I've started having each agent regularly read each other's chat transcripts as well as their own, including even the very same session I'm in. (With big contexts they increasingly forget a few things that they re-learn by just looking at the verbatim transcript.) I don't think it's worth writing my own harness or switching to Pi and writing a plugin, but I definitely n…

It is not worth switching to Pi except as a hobbyist. Something that is overlooked: the mainstream harnesses have a huge advantage in telemetry and datapoints to use to improve the harness. They have internal teams building the tooling. They have tight integration built-in with their own backends (e.g. optimizing for caching). Are you tinkering? Or trying to build something useful? If you're trying to build something…

I mean, have you tried Pi? It's really good out of the box.
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