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Post by gyanchawdhary »

armada651 wrote: post #139
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #105

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It’s not so innocent and pure are you are trying to portray. The average person cares more about important issues like immigration, jobs, economy .. not self appointed experts trying to regulate software companies about things that don’t have material impact on their lives ..

So the United States should step in because it knows better than our elected representatives? Are you sure you're on the side of democracy here?

Im a big fan of democracy. It's made me fabulously wealthy compared to the third world one party socialist system (until early 2000s) I grew up under ... my point isn't that the US knows better than Dutch voters. It's that I doubt the average Dutch person (and by average I literally mean the 99%) gives a flying f*K about whether Google Cloud is the right place to store data or whether AWS is a monopoly. Most people care about housing, jobs, wages, immigration, crime, healthcare, and the cost of living ... the reason these bureaucrates can spend so much time meddling in tech is precisely because most people aren't paying attention. I'd like to see the same regulatory energy directed at the problems ordinary people actually talk about at the dinner table ..

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Post by johnnyanmac »

trollbridge wrote: post #90
vanviegen wrote: post #76

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The "faster growing economy" is basically 100% AI speculation now. If that gamble pays of the US is still in trouble (as is the rest of the world), as there doesn't appear to be even a hint of a plan of what a post-AI society looks like for anybody but the top 0.1%.

I don't think the top 0.1% has a plan, either. From my personal interactions with them, they are mostly just excited they can talk to a chatbot on their phone all day, and then make questionable decisions from that - to use a recent example, deciding to be their own general contractor and make a house remodel cost an extra million and take an extra year to do.

The money and time to pursue any passion or hobby they wish, or simply travel and enjoy the world's leisures. They can run a small company, never worrying about profits to survive because their interest will keep them afloat.

And instead of delegating or relaxing or honing a talent, they still have this need to pretend they are a craftmen and waste everyone's time, instead of playing Factorio or Stardew Valley or X Simulator like the rest of us plebs do to scratch that itch. What a waste.

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Post by legulere »

dgellow wrote: post #115
legulere wrote: post #63

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I don’t think it’s different politics directly in China. The people believe that change means change for the better. In the west people have lost all hope for progress.

The people of China don’t have much say, I’m not sure what they believe matters too much, the government has a strong control over the media and can and will silence dissenting voices. In europe we’ve been generally pretty bad over the past decades at presenting positive arguments for liberalism, which is a shame. Similarly the EU is notoriously bad at communicating how it benefits the people, most of the communicati…

The Chinese Government isn't like Russia where power is mostly legitimised by having power, like the law of the jungle. A big part of its legitimacy is from economic growth and lifting people out of poverty.

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Post by joe_mamba »

CalRobert wrote: post #92
joe_mamba wrote: post #54

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>Still, better than not doing anything at all How is Mercosur better for the EU citizens?

German car companies get new countries in which to see themselves destroyed by China?

Super wealthy people in developing countries will still buy high-end Porsches and Mercedes G-wagons instead of Xiaomi EVs. For now.

But the EU makers likes of VW are fucked since they sell Chinese quality cars at premium prices and German union workers expect six figure salaries for a hard 35h week of bolting bumpers to cars.

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Post by dgellow »

WarmWash wrote: post #137
dgellow wrote: post #117

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FWIW our local car industry had decades to prepare to compete in the EV sector and decided to do pretty much nothing + train China how to take over their market. We’ve been way too protective of that industry, I’m personally happy they finally have to face some real competition. Protectionism has its place in global trade but it should be with a very specific goal in mind, such as giving the companies some room to br…

Giving industry "room to breathe" means cutting regulations, including what many view as worker protections. I don't know if there is the social inertia yet on the ground for "screw the benefits, I want to save the ship".

That’s just one approach, you have others. Removing competition is another

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Post by dgellow »

legulere wrote: post #153
dgellow wrote: post #115

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The people of China don’t have much say, I’m not sure what they believe matters too much, the government has a strong control over the media and can and will silence dissenting voices. In europe we’ve been generally pretty bad over the past decades at presenting positive arguments for liberalism, which is a shame. Similarly the EU is notoriously bad at communicating how it benefits the people, most of the communicati…

The Chinese Government isn't like Russia where power is mostly legitimised by having power, like the law of the jungle. A big part of its legitimacy is from economic growth and lifting people out of poverty.

Sure, I’m not sure what point you’re responding to

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Post by joquarky »

Eridrus wrote: post #9

I don't know what the US thinks it will gain by targeting civil servants. They are not the ones with the power to decide what happens, and retaliation would mean more anti-US people selecting themselves into these projects.

We are currently in the process of exploiting all short term gains at the cost of long term stability.

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Post by dgellow »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #130
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #111

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These innovations don't count, since they didn't create any new oligarchs.

GDPR is innovation... I assume you don't live in the EU either...yes, there is an absolutely huge industry behind it, that is why it passed. Companies have to employ data protection officers, effectively a no-show job, and there is a whole industry of people connected to governments that facilitates this. And that also protects existing companies from competing because it is so expensive to handle customer data...as…

> Companies have to employ data protection officers, effectively a no-show job

No… an employee of the company can be designed as the data protection officer. Do you have literally no experience working in the EU? If yes you have really strong positions for someone that misinformed. Where are you getting your information from?

I can tell you that if you work in a large company with sensitive data it’s definitely not a no-show job, that can for sure be a full time position

> .as you need to employ an EU bureaucrat who is the equivalent of a CCP party official

Either complete lie or you are delusional. Wtf are you talking about

> GDPR does not increase productivity, it is tax on consumers to produce something that is required by government with the surplus being passed to insiders (civil servants, unions, and billionaires)

Ok, I think you’re completely out of your mind. The thought process makes absolutely no sense. Now I feel bad I have wasted my time engaging.

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